Citation Type Ratings
#31
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 650
With that said I am planning on knocking out my ATP and 737 type for free in September using the GI bill. Would it be a good idea to add a few words on my resume saying that it was paid for by GI bill or something so that they don't think South West is the only reason I got it? Truth is I wanted to get my ATP and since it is free using the GI bill why us a light twin when I can get a type and go through an airline style training for not much more.
#33
It also cruises much, much faster. Over 400. Holds way more, and longer range. Mustang 1 was 340 i think. With full fuel it could only take about 400lbs of payload. M2 might be the same with full fuel, but can go much further. So with fuel for a 600nm or less trip it can carry a good 2 or more adults than the M1. (Weight depending of course)
#34
New Hire
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Posts: 8
With that said I am planning on knocking out my ATP and 737 type for free in September using the GI bill. Would it be a good idea to add a few words on my resume saying that it was paid for by GI bill or something so that they don't think South West is the only reason I got it? Truth is I wanted to get my ATP and since it is free using the GI bill why us a light twin when I can get a type and go through an airline style training for not much more.
#35
It also cruises much, much faster. Over 400. Holds way more, and longer range. Mustang 1 was 340 i think. With full fuel it could only take about 400lbs of payload. M2 might be the same with full fuel, but can go much further. So with fuel for a 600nm or less trip it can carry a good 2 or more adults than the M1. (Weight depending of course)
I'm really uncertain why Cessna went with the M2 moniker, considering it has nothing in common with the CE510.
#36
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 945
I got my type in a CJ 525s in Carlsbad using the GI Bill. It was a very professional 10 day course. All I really wanted was to get my ATP but I'm glad I got the experience using a Flight Director and Auto Pilot. The timing was perfect as my son was born 2 days after my check ride. I did not want to leave town and wanted to get it done prior to leaving the military. That being said I have not yet flown the airplane. If I paid for the type out of my own pocket I would have been disappointed but I am glad I received some good training instead of just getting my ATP in a twin.
#37
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 650
It's no different than someone paying for a piece of plastic that says CFI on it so that they can work for crappy wages being a CFI building time. If someone wants to pay for a Type that will enable them to get a job somewhere then more power to them. No different than paying for a MBA to advance yourself or a 737 Type to get a job at SW. If you have the money to buy a type and that is what gets you the job then who is anyone to say that is a bad idea. Or you could be someone that has the GI bill or WIA money that will get you the type for free. My guess is that no one with a brain would tell someone flying for SW that they are an idiot for buying their own type.
Everyone has their own set of circumstances so to sit behind your computer screen and judge them is pretty sad.
Everyone has their own set of circumstances so to sit behind your computer screen and judge them is pretty sad.
#38
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Position: Swing that gear
Posts: 354
In my opinion there is a big difference between post secondary education and airplane specific training. Nobody should question college but paying for training out of pocket creates a race to the bottom. If a company pays for an airplane they should pay for all crew costs and training.
I have worked to create a department where pilots are treated and paid well. They last thing I want to bring in is someone who is willing to undercut myself or anyone else by planting a seed in my CEO's ear it is OK for pilots to pay for their own training. I will do everything I can to avoid training contracts because we should be able to create an environment where people want to stay... and if they find something that betters their life or career I'm happy for them.
It doesn't take a genius to understand if someone probably got GI Bill assistance getting a type by looking at their resume or asking a few questions. I've met several people that just stopped by to drop off a resume and said they would buy their own type if needed to be hired. This is what needs to stop to better this profession for all pilots. These departments will never become a good place to work because owners will never stop thinking it is the pilots responsibility.
I have worked to create a department where pilots are treated and paid well. They last thing I want to bring in is someone who is willing to undercut myself or anyone else by planting a seed in my CEO's ear it is OK for pilots to pay for their own training. I will do everything I can to avoid training contracts because we should be able to create an environment where people want to stay... and if they find something that betters their life or career I'm happy for them.
It doesn't take a genius to understand if someone probably got GI Bill assistance getting a type by looking at their resume or asking a few questions. I've met several people that just stopped by to drop off a resume and said they would buy their own type if needed to be hired. This is what needs to stop to better this profession for all pilots. These departments will never become a good place to work because owners will never stop thinking it is the pilots responsibility.
#39
I just completed my CJ3 type rating today with ProFlight LLC in Carlsbad, CA.
I really enjoyed it.
Their online prep/study is an industry benchmark.
The instructors were outstanding. Lots of depth in their experience. Some older than me, some younger than me... all brought something different to the course, while maintaining standardization.
Two thumbs up.
Apparently, they are expanding into the Tampa area this year.
I really enjoyed it.
Their online prep/study is an industry benchmark.
The instructors were outstanding. Lots of depth in their experience. Some older than me, some younger than me... all brought something different to the course, while maintaining standardization.
Two thumbs up.
Apparently, they are expanding into the Tampa area this year.
#40
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: B737 CA
Posts: 58
In my opinion there is a big difference between post secondary education and airplane specific training. Nobody should question college but paying for training out of pocket creates a race to the bottom. If a company pays for an airplane they should pay for all crew costs and training.
I have worked to create a department where pilots are treated and paid well. They last thing I want to bring in is someone who is willing to undercut myself or anyone else by planting a seed in my CEO's ear it is OK for pilots to pay for their own training. I will do everything I can to avoid training contracts because we should be able to create an environment where people want to stay... and if they find something that betters their life or career I'm happy for them.
It doesn't take a genius to understand if someone probably got GI Bill assistance getting a type by looking at their resume or asking a few questions. I've met several people that just stopped by to drop off a resume and said they would buy their own type if needed to be hired. This is what needs to stop to better this profession for all pilots. These departments will never become a good place to work because owners will never stop thinking it is the pilots responsibility.
I have worked to create a department where pilots are treated and paid well. They last thing I want to bring in is someone who is willing to undercut myself or anyone else by planting a seed in my CEO's ear it is OK for pilots to pay for their own training. I will do everything I can to avoid training contracts because we should be able to create an environment where people want to stay... and if they find something that betters their life or career I'm happy for them.
It doesn't take a genius to understand if someone probably got GI Bill assistance getting a type by looking at their resume or asking a few questions. I've met several people that just stopped by to drop off a resume and said they would buy their own type if needed to be hired. This is what needs to stop to better this profession for all pilots. These departments will never become a good place to work because owners will never stop thinking it is the pilots responsibility.
Who do you work for? are you guys hiring?
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