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Old 07-11-2014, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Yabadaba View Post
Oh, yeah... never buy a type. If they can afford a plane they can afford to pay for your training. If I see a type and no time in it the resume goes in the trash (unless its a 737!).
With that said I am planning on knocking out my ATP and 737 type for free in September using the GI bill. Would it be a good idea to add a few words on my resume saying that it was paid for by GI bill or something so that they don't think South West is the only reason I got it? Truth is I wanted to get my ATP and since it is free using the GI bill why us a light twin when I can get a type and go through an airline style training for not much more.
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Old 07-11-2014, 06:45 PM
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Old 07-11-2014, 07:08 PM
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M2 looks like a CJ because that's exactly what it is - basically a CJ1++.

G3000 cockpit vs. ProLine21, slightly uprated engines, and stubby little winglets.
It also cruises much, much faster. Over 400. Holds way more, and longer range. Mustang 1 was 340 i think. With full fuel it could only take about 400lbs of payload. M2 might be the same with full fuel, but can go much further. So with fuel for a 600nm or less trip it can carry a good 2 or more adults than the M1. (Weight depending of course)
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Old 07-11-2014, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Duksrule View Post
With that said I am planning on knocking out my ATP and 737 type for free in September using the GI bill. Would it be a good idea to add a few words on my resume saying that it was paid for by GI bill or something so that they don't think South West is the only reason I got it? Truth is I wanted to get my ATP and since it is free using the GI bill why us a light twin when I can get a type and go through an airline style training for not much more.
I got my type in a CJ 525s in Carlsbad using the GI Bill. It was a very professional 10 day course. All I really wanted was to get my ATP but I'm glad I got the experience using a Flight Director and Auto Pilot. The timing was perfect as my son was born 2 days after my check ride. I did not want to leave town and wanted to get it done prior to leaving the military. That being said I have not yet flown the airplane. If I paid for the type out of my own pocket I would have been disappointed but I am glad I received some good training instead of just getting my ATP in a twin.
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Old 07-12-2014, 02:58 AM
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It also cruises much, much faster. Over 400. Holds way more, and longer range. Mustang 1 was 340 i think. With full fuel it could only take about 400lbs of payload. M2 might be the same with full fuel, but can go much further. So with fuel for a 600nm or less trip it can carry a good 2 or more adults than the M1. (Weight depending of course)
To be clear, the M2 is simply a warmed-over upgraded CJ1+, and a completely different airframe than the Mustang.

I'm really uncertain why Cessna went with the M2 moniker, considering it has nothing in common with the CE510.
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Old 07-12-2014, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Spud121 View Post
I got my type in a CJ 525s in Carlsbad using the GI Bill. It was a very professional 10 day course. All I really wanted was to get my ATP but I'm glad I got the experience using a Flight Director and Auto Pilot. The timing was perfect as my son was born 2 days after my check ride. I did not want to leave town and wanted to get it done prior to leaving the military. That being said I have not yet flown the airplane. If I paid for the type out of my own pocket I would have been disappointed but I am glad I received some good training instead of just getting my ATP in a twin.
I've done two 525 recurrents at ProFlite in Carlsbad. I'm a fan. (And for comparison, have done FSI and CAE courses as well - mixed reviews, depending on the course/aircraft.)
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It's no different than someone paying for a piece of plastic that says CFI on it so that they can work for crappy wages being a CFI building time. If someone wants to pay for a Type that will enable them to get a job somewhere then more power to them. No different than paying for a MBA to advance yourself or a 737 Type to get a job at SW. If you have the money to buy a type and that is what gets you the job then who is anyone to say that is a bad idea. Or you could be someone that has the GI bill or WIA money that will get you the type for free. My guess is that no one with a brain would tell someone flying for SW that they are an idiot for buying their own type.

Everyone has their own set of circumstances so to sit behind your computer screen and judge them is pretty sad.
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Old 08-05-2014, 10:56 AM
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In my opinion there is a big difference between post secondary education and airplane specific training. Nobody should question college but paying for training out of pocket creates a race to the bottom. If a company pays for an airplane they should pay for all crew costs and training.

I have worked to create a department where pilots are treated and paid well. They last thing I want to bring in is someone who is willing to undercut myself or anyone else by planting a seed in my CEO's ear it is OK for pilots to pay for their own training. I will do everything I can to avoid training contracts because we should be able to create an environment where people want to stay... and if they find something that betters their life or career I'm happy for them.

It doesn't take a genius to understand if someone probably got GI Bill assistance getting a type by looking at their resume or asking a few questions. I've met several people that just stopped by to drop off a resume and said they would buy their own type if needed to be hired. This is what needs to stop to better this profession for all pilots. These departments will never become a good place to work because owners will never stop thinking it is the pilots responsibility.
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Old 09-03-2014, 10:55 PM
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I just completed my CJ3 type rating today with ProFlight LLC in Carlsbad, CA.
I really enjoyed it.
Their online prep/study is an industry benchmark.
The instructors were outstanding. Lots of depth in their experience. Some older than me, some younger than me... all brought something different to the course, while maintaining standardization.
Two thumbs up.

Apparently, they are expanding into the Tampa area this year.
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Originally Posted by Yabadaba View Post
In my opinion there is a big difference between post secondary education and airplane specific training. Nobody should question college but paying for training out of pocket creates a race to the bottom. If a company pays for an airplane they should pay for all crew costs and training.

I have worked to create a department where pilots are treated and paid well. They last thing I want to bring in is someone who is willing to undercut myself or anyone else by planting a seed in my CEO's ear it is OK for pilots to pay for their own training. I will do everything I can to avoid training contracts because we should be able to create an environment where people want to stay... and if they find something that betters their life or career I'm happy for them.

It doesn't take a genius to understand if someone probably got GI Bill assistance getting a type by looking at their resume or asking a few questions. I've met several people that just stopped by to drop off a resume and said they would buy their own type if needed to be hired. This is what needs to stop to better this profession for all pilots. These departments will never become a good place to work because owners will never stop thinking it is the pilots responsibility.

Who do you work for? are you guys hiring?
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