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cjgreen91 12-03-2012 11:33 AM

RVSM
 
Probably not the right spot for this, but I figured the people who are in here would ahve the best information.

Have the oppurtunity to do some SIC flying for a part 91 corporate company. Is there any required training in RVSM to be "legal" to act as SIC. I know king schools does a class. But as a younger guy just getting my foot in door, its money I dont really have to spare but guess i have to do what I have do to.

Thanks for any info.

pilot0987 12-03-2012 11:53 AM

If there is a requirement for two pilots then yes. If not then I would assume that only the pic would be required. So that means you could not log PIC time over 28k or unless you were typed in the CJ "assuming" which you don't have anyways. If your not typed PIC in the plane you couldn't log SIC either. Would be helpful to know what the specifics were.

cjgreen91 12-03-2012 12:54 PM

Does require two pilots. I am not logging PIC. And I would be SIC typed for the aircraft

PW305 12-03-2012 01:04 PM

The answer is: probably. It depends on the LOA issued for that specific aircraft and the details of your manual. In broad terms the 8900 series merely states for Part 91, "ensure each pilot has adequate knowledge of RVSM requirements, policies, and procedures". Notice it says 'each pilot' and not PIC/SIC. It's not seat specific, everyone needs to know whats going on up there.

pilot0987 12-03-2012 01:06 PM

Then I would just spend the 199 to educate yourself and be better prepared. Good Luck with the new job.

BoilerUP 12-03-2012 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by pilot0987 (Post 1304296)
Then I would just spend the 199 to educate yourself and be better prepared.

+1

I know it sucks, but drop money and check the box.

FlyerJosh 12-03-2012 05:56 PM

Depending on the operator, simply checking the box may not meet the requirements.

Both the corporate operators that I've worked for have had a specific training provider listed in their RVSM LOA.

cjgreen91 12-03-2012 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by FlyerJosh (Post 1304493)
Depending on the operator, simply checking the box may not meet the requirements.

Both the corporate operators that I've worked for have had a specific training provider listed in their RVSM LOA.


good point. And the extra knowledge definitely isnt going to hurt.

Short Final 12-04-2012 06:27 AM

I would hope that if this company can afford the plane, they should be able to pay for the training of its crew. If you can pay the money and expense it, that's worth a try. If they are cheap then, write it off on next years taxes.

Ewfflyer 12-04-2012 03:45 PM

Just get it taken care of at your sic training, I assume that would take care of all the above issues?

cubbies4life 12-05-2012 03:56 PM

Only ever been to Simuflite but I'm pretty sure they offer a free RVSM class as well as many other free classes to anyone going through a training. Call wherever you're doing your training and ask them

Yabadaba 12-07-2012 06:21 AM

Just because he is getting an SIC type doesn't mean he is going to a training center... It's only 3 landings and trip to the FSDO.

I would listen to Martha for an hour and get it done. Explain to your employer that you haven't had RVSM training and I would hope they would foot the bill. My Copilot isn't required to be trained but I gladly paid for it.

cjgreen91 12-07-2012 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by Yabadaba (Post 1306865)
Just because he is getting an SIC type doesn't mean he is going to a training center... It's only 3 landings and trip to the FSDO.

I would listen to Martha for an hour and get it done. Explain to your employer that you haven't had RVSM training and I would hope they would foot the bill. My Copilot isn't required to be trained but I gladly paid for it.

They are aware of it. But my biggest wuiestion was is it even required for the SIC. Like you said your copilot was required to have it but you took care of him. I will end up doing it eventually still.

Yabadaba 12-07-2012 07:36 PM

I think it would depend on the RVSM LOA as someone posted earlier.

I applied for single pilot RVSM in our airplane. I have a single pilot type so SIC isn't required for anything other than insurance reasons. Unless the application asked for single pilot privileges (doubtful) I would say training is required. Check out the LOA and RVSM manuals.


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