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BoilerUP 01-25-2013 09:45 AM

Capital cost is high on a Phenom 100 (relative to others), but as far as jets go the operating cost is fairly low and that tends to be what kills operators.

They think the acquisition cost delta on an older plane will buy their gas & pay their maintenance, but when those big bills start rolling in their eyes get VERY big.

Systemized 01-25-2013 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by Fourpaw (Post 1338463)
Well, talked to him this morning and he still seems pretty dead set on the Phenom 100. His thoughts are get one brand new ~3.5m and claim 50% depreciation on taxes so he feels as if he got it for 1/2.


I'm still skeptical. This is a new flight department, straight into a multi million dollar jet seems risky.

For that price range I would spring for a CJ2/+. I fly a CJ and the plane never breaks. We launch on very short notice all the time and rarely have maintenance issues. From what I've heard support on the Embraers is not great. Passengers like the 100s because of the enclosed lav which is just a curtain on the CJs but from what I've heard the 100s are louder and less comfortable.

jbt1407 01-25-2013 10:37 PM

How about an MU-2? Great bang for the buck

Bucking Bar 01-26-2013 06:04 AM

Here is a tool that we use at the early stages of our corporate aircraft acquisition searches:

https://www.conklindd.com/CDALibrary/ACCostSummary.aspx

Good suggestions on this thread.

The original poster did not explain much about his needs. What is his usual trip length? Cargo ever important? Usually full, or empty? If the Cirrus is working for them, but they need more room, comfort and range, why not throw a executive configured Cessna Caravan into consideration? Without the cargo pod the short fuselage aircraft is a 175 to 190 knot machine and it will carry a Phenom inside (almost).

If I needed to go fast for that price, I'd grab one of the last Sabre 65's built and zip along at nearly 100 knots faster than the Phenom in worlds more comfort and capability. If speed were not an issue, I'd stretch out in a Caravan. Other than "sex appeal" I have not seen a "light jet" that impresses me, although they certainly are improving. Frankly, I'd rather have a Pilatus.

Can't go wrong with a King Air and easy to sell if you decide you want something else.

Fourpaw 03-05-2013 07:55 AM

Looks like the company is leaning towards a c90GTX. New cost is 3.8 retail. Seems to fit the mission a little bit better.

yawdamp 03-05-2013 08:51 AM

Shocked no one mentioned the PC12. Comfort of a 200, with the convenience of a lav, and built like a truck. It is only 15-20 kts slower (than 700B) with a ton more MGTW. I have 1500+ hrs on the TBM 300+ hrs on the PC. The PC is hands down a better all around people/cargo mover. Our MX guys disliked the TBM, especially the brakes. They love the PC - they compared it to the likes of a twin otter we had years ago.

UnderOveur 03-05-2013 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by yawdamp (Post 1365443)
Shocked no one mentioned the PC12.

Beloved by every single owner that has one. I even know one who is in the final stages of buying a King Air but absolutely will NOT part with his Pilatus, he loves it so much.

What it lacks in speed it more than makes up for in roominess, payload, and distance.


Originally Posted by HeloDrvr (Post 1327622)
What kind of airports do you frequent?

The PC-12 is an especially good choice if planning on flying into unimproved/dirt strips (like the principal's ranch, for instance).


Originally Posted by Fourpaw (Post 1327481)
Preferable two engines

Thoughts?

Perhaps speed is the #1 concern here. Not enough info to go on.

VIIPILOT 03-05-2013 01:41 PM

Ce-650-III.

JamesNoBrakes 03-05-2013 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by yawdamp (Post 1365443)
Shocked no one mentioned the PC12. Comfort of a 200, with the convenience of a lav, and built like a truck. It is only 15-20 kts slower (than 700B) with a ton more MGTW. I have 1500+ hrs on the TBM 300+ hrs on the PC. The PC is hands down a better all around people/cargo mover. Our MX guys disliked the TBM, especially the brakes. They love the PC - they compared it to the likes of a twin otter we had years ago.

Those tend to be a little pricier than the OPs price range.

jarretk 05-06-2013 03:15 PM

Ill throw the Lear 31A into the conversation. You can find them for 1 million and up and IMHO its a much better choice than the Beech Jet. I have had 2 pilots, 7 passengers, bags for a 4 day trip, and full fuel and gone 930nm. The range and the baggage compartment (inside the aircraft behind the aft bench seat) are the only con's of the 31A that I have noticed. And I think it looks much better on a ramp than the Phenom


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