The length of a corporate job?
 

Question for ya all corporate fellows....( I'm ex-airline, now with a fractional)

I keep on hearing a corporate job last anywhere from 5-7 years, even the "great" corporate jobs. Is this thruth or myth?

Good equipment, diverse flying, good pay, I'd think people wanna stay there

Is it that corporations let people go whenever the stock price/market dips? Do pilots get tired of flying with the same dude day after day? Do the senior pilots grab all the good trips? Any of the above?

Had a conversation with a guy at London's Harrod's aviation FBO. He is typed-rated in the Global Express and Falcon 900/900EX and looking for a "permanent job"

Why would a guy that marketable be looking for a job?

the problem (as I see it, this means nothing...) is that corporate jobs are subject to the turns of the business and economic cycles. 7 years sounds about right, between stock market bull markets and bear market cycles. As we learned from watching Enron (an exaggerated example indeed), corporate CEO's are always answering to shareholders and the board. Some (IE Enron) will commit fraud just to keep them happy and keep company bonuses coming.

As has been said many times in aviation, when times get tight, the first thing to go is the plane.

No companies are insulated from changes to their flight departments, look at the Big-3 auto makers. One can argue "why" their flight departments closed, but at the end of the day, their flight departments closed. And a bunch of dudes had to go elsewhere.

GTE Phone company, had a huge corporate flight department, back in the late 80's. Boom, merger with Verizon, severe cutbacks and most planes sold off.

Heck, even the poor guys who fly F-16's have been replaced in some bases by UAV's. One would think that a F-16 pilot, with two wars going on (ok, one now...), and unrest all over the world, would keep his plane....

As far as the guy at London FBO, don't know his situation. Be careful from concluding a guy is "very qualified" merely by his flight experience. It would take all ten of my fingers to count the guys I know who are "very qualified" but complete a-holes and jerks on the road. So why that guy is looking, who knows. You might ask him that, uh, why are you looking ?

Thank Satpak77

We had a bunch of people leave Netjets (NJI) for what seemed to be better corporate jobs, and I hear most tried to comeback.

Just wondering wether is the companies laying off in cycles or pilots leaving for different reasons

5-7 years is pretty blanket statement. We have guys with over 20; I met two chief pilots with over 30 at their departments. One had been through huge changes, even Chapter 11, without a layoff. They had flown just about every imaginable business jet, the people stayed, the planes got bigger or smaller with cycles of the business. I worked at a NY-based department, years ago, the two pilots had been there over 30 years. Every company is unique; the ones to watch are the nouveaux riches owners, first thing to get is a plane that they really have no use for.

GF

There's no formula in my mind. just like going to work for a major airline won't guarantee it's the last place you'll work, getting on with a coveted corporate department may or may not result in a career position.

FWIW, our senior pilot just retired after 25+ years of service. The majority of the department has more than 10 years.

I agree with flyerjosh, there's no real formula. To me it's luck of the draw, I just finished my eighth year with my employer. This last downturn was particularly brutal on corporate aviation, guys with a ton of tenure at top shelf flight departments found themselves on the street. My department grew from 1 to 3 airplanes over 5 years and, while I never get too comfortable in any situation, I just don't see our operation ever going away. I do agree that the affiliated industry does play a role but even then, there's no panacea.

I'm the new guy where I work and the next newest guy has been here for 20 plus years with our most "senior" guy being here for 30 plus years. Guys I know at other good companies have been there anywhere from 10-30 years as well.

indeed no formula or magic number

Sounds like this "5-7 years at a corporate job" stuff is an old wives' tale then?

Happy to hear that.

For better or worse, guys and gals move around in corporate aviation, hopefully for better offers. Without seniority systems tying one down movement is possible for whatever reason.

GF

The "typical" corporate flight dept... does not exist.

Since *corporate* can be an awfully large segment, I'm sure for every one of those longevity stories told on this thread, I believe I could safety assume that there are NUMEROUS short term jobs that could drive the average job term down.

This.

Especially in large metro areas where there are more opportunities.

There isn't much keeping a person tied to a department long term anymore (no pensions etc) so its not uncommon for a person to move up (pay etc) by moving out as their career progresses.

Often these days you have to give yourself a pay raise.

I think the fine line here is moving UP, not moving lateral and job hopping.

Even in this market its still not easy to find good, strong, qualified people.

I have been with my organization 15 years.

My father was with a large flight department for 27 years before he changed. Now going on 7 years at another. It all has to do with QOL and pay.

NBAA used to quote "3.5 years" as the average length of a corporate jet job. I haven't checked it in the last couple of years but I can't imagine it got longer.

Also be aware if you are indeed an employee of the company you would be flying for or an employee of a management company. With the management company, not only do you have the danger of the owner of the aircraft having financial issues, but now you have that same owner,no financial issues, dropping the managment company because another management company does it better/cheaper. :eek: Also management companies also charter out aircraft 135 to save the owner on taxes....more flying without more money. :mad: