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Ewfflyer 03-30-2014 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1613384)
I thought all of the VLJs were single piloted?
SIC requirement in a private P91 operation in a VLJ???

I searched type ratings on faa.gov, and on the last page(14) there is a sample "temp certificate" for a BE-300 type, requiring a SIC, even though we all know this is a SP plane. So I would assume the VLJ's could be limited in the same fashion, but this is far from my expertise.

biigD 03-30-2014 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1613384)
I thought all of the VLJs were single piloted?
SIC requirement in a private P91 operation in a VLJ???

The Mustang is like the CJ series - you can get typed with (CE-510S) or without (CE-510) the single pilot authorization. So even if the airplane is single pilot capable, a pilot with only a CE-510 type will need an SIC.

To the OPs question - I think I'd stay instructing, keep networking, and once at 1500+ hours perhaps an operator will give you your first type and ATP all rolled into one.

USMCFLYR 03-30-2014 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by Ewfflyer (Post 1613400)
I searched type ratings on faa.gov, and on the last page(14) there is a sample "temp certificate" for a BE-300 type, requiring a SIC, even though we all know this is a SP plane. So I would assume the VLJ's could be limited in the same fashion, but this is far from my expertise.



Originally Posted by biigD (Post 1613418)
The Mustang is like the CJ series - you can get typed with (CE-510S) or without (CE-510) the single pilot authorization. So even if the airplane is single pilot capable, a pilot with only a CE-510 type will need an SIC.

To the OPs question - I think I'd stay instructing, keep networking, and once at 1500+ hours perhaps an operator will give you your first type and ATP all rolled into one.

True...the SP designation did take an extra few items on the checkride so I guess it would be the same for any SP capable airframe.

WhiskeyMike 03-31-2014 04:03 AM


Originally Posted by livinthedream89 (Post 1609473)

I would like to just get some opinions on this. Since my ultimate goal is corporate and not the airlines, would it be best to take the job now or wait until I have more hours? This may seem like a no brainer for some but I just want to get some thoughts.

Thank you in advance!

Hey there livinthedream89,
Congrats on the corporate job offer. I am doing the same thing that you're considering. I had about 1000 hours when I started flying right seat in a CJ. We only fly 200-300 hours a year which gives me plenty of time to instruct part-time when I'm home and make some extra cash.


Originally Posted by BPWI (Post 1609603)
With respect to corporate aviation there is little to no reason to sweat PIC time if you are currently beginning your career. I spent nearly 2yrs in the right seat of a sim starting out. For free no less. All that to advance my knowledge of systems and CRM so that when I was capable, I could move on. Your greatest asset in any corporate department is a positive attitutde and level of flexibility for the principal. The rest will fall into place. Best of luck and let us know what you decide-


I agree with BPWI. The rest will fall into place. Since your goal is corporate, getting your foot in the door and learning how things work would be a good step for you. You can start to network as well. You will get some experience flying in different weather than you are used to and some CRM experience. AND you will become skilled in ordering coffee, ice, and newspapers. :D

Another thing to consider is logging the cross-country time for ATP mins. Depending on your situation (graduate from a FAA approved 141 2 or 4 year school for reduced ATP mins) it would be beneficial to log the cross country so when you hit 1500 you actually have the 500 required XC hours.

Hope all goes well with whatever you decide.

Lindenberg 03-31-2014 05:12 AM

FWIW, if you look at the type certificate for VLJs, you will see that if you remove your boom Mic (headset) and use the speaker and hand held, you must have an SIC even if you are single pilot typed. Google any kind of VLJ and type certificate. My source is a FED.

Waitingformins 08-26-2014 11:21 AM

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Your King Air time didn't count because the type certificate doesn't specify two pilots. Jet type certificate's do. This link is extracted form the DPE handbook a pilot with a single pilot privilege in a light jet is not required to exercise that privilege and can operate with an sic.

NoSidNoStar 08-27-2014 02:24 PM

When I had my first corporate job, I kept instructing on the side.
Can you have such a kind of understanding with your gig?

livinthedream89 08-28-2014 11:26 AM

The boss said I can instruct on the side if I'd like but told me flying the jet needed to be the priority.

For those of you still reading, I have a question. Since they don't fly the plane a whole lot, I really want to get a type rating in the plane, (it's an EMB-505). Can anyone shed light on how to go about this? I'd like to get it into a contract, but thought maybe once I get flying and show them how awesome I am *sarcasm* they would be willing to get me typed. Again, it's rated for a single pilot, but due to other limitations they need an sic. Any thoughts?

Fourpaw 08-28-2014 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by livinthedream89 (Post 1714670)
The boss said I can instruct on the side if I'd like but told me flying the jet needed to be the priority.

For those of you still reading, I have a question. Since they don't fly the plane a whole lot, I really want to get a type rating in the plane, (it's an EMB-505). Can anyone shed light on how to go about this? I'd like to get it into a contract, but thought maybe once I get flying and show them how awesome I am *sarcasm* they would be willing to get me typed. Again, it's rated for a single pilot, but due to other limitations they need an sic. Any thoughts?


Just ask them. I would be surprised if the answer was no.

Oh and btw, no one is awesome at flying just more tolerable than the next guy(corporate rule number 1008).

Best of luck.


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