Being contactable - Part 91
08-13-2014, 12:06 PM
#61
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Posts: 473
Originally Posted by GrummanCT
"Do not put words in my mouth which I never said". Comical for you to type that. I really think you need to 're-read this thread a couple times and realize who is putting words in who's mouth.
If the airlines are what you want, you should go to the airlines. If half of the "looming shortage" is true, the quicker you can land A seniority # at a major, the better off you are.
That being said, corporate aviation is a fine way to make a living as well. There's great jobs in big airplanes that do 100% international, and there's great jobs in domestic light jets. I know g drivers making 80 and light jet drivers making well north of 100 (base salary, not including additional benefits). It comes down to the operator and not the type.
At the end if the day find something that makes you happy, and do your best. You have to live with yourself, and life's too short not to be happy. QOL and Pay are king. Find a job with a good mix between the two. Taking one over the other usually leads to heartache.
If the airlines are what you want, you should go to the airlines. If half of the "looming shortage" is true, the quicker you can land A seniority # at a major, the better off you are.
That being said, corporate aviation is a fine way to make a living as well. There's great jobs in big airplanes that do 100% international, and there's great jobs in domestic light jets. I know g drivers making 80 and light jet drivers making well north of 100 (base salary, not including additional benefits). It comes down to the operator and not the type.
At the end if the day find something that makes you happy, and do your best. You have to live with yourself, and life's too short not to be happy. QOL and Pay are king. Find a job with a good mix between the two. Taking one over the other usually leads to heartache.
Yes, thanks to your type of guy, I am seriously considering the move to the airlines, no matter the initial pay cut and my older age.
It is your type of ass kissing back stabber guys that I despite.
You said you will have a pilot fired for trying to enforce the little work rules you have; you do not belong to the head of a flight department.
Few years ago, you were a time builder, you bent over backwards, I can understand that. But now you are in a position of influence to other pilots lives, and you kept the same ass kissing attitude that land you the first jetA burning job. Worst, you expect them to do the same, or else. Brake the work rules. You are creating others like you. You are a virus. One day, one of your protégés will turn around and bite your job away from you, low balling you, taking always trips that you won't. You will have deserved it. I saw that happening, and as long as you promulgate this under bidding culture, it will happen again. You sound like you have it made, for your standards, so start to give back to the young pilots community. Let them have the work rules respected, otherwise, why even having them?
Repent now. May be you are in time to redeem yourself.
08-13-2014, 01:02 PM
#62
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I'd like to you re-read this thread. You are making things up, plain and simple.
To review, I said I am part of a 2 man flight department with two aircraft.
Pilot A is primary Mon-Sun and responsible for all trips during those days.
Pilot B is secondary Mon-Fri, will not fly more then three days during secondary week, and can turn down trips with less then 24 hours notice without fear of disciplinary action from employer. Saturday and Sunday of the secondary week are hard days off, and are expected to be maintained as such.
The clause allowing pilots to turn down trips with less then 24 hours notice without disciplinary action from employer is a protection for medical appointments, child care, previous plans, and an attempt to improve quality of life. Knowing I can turn down these trips without the fear of termination allows me to have a social life during my secondary or "soft" week, where I don't have to live by my cell phone 24/7. I have turned down many trips in the past and will continue to turn them down in the future if I have less then 24 hours notice and it is an inconvenience or a hardship for me or my family, but I will not turn them down on principal alone.
You are taking advantage of the system if you do each and every time without exception. It's people like you that ruin it for the rest of us. I'm one of the lucky ones with this protection that I don't have to live by my phone 24/7. That I can do as I please during my secondary week and don't have to keep a suite and tie hanging in my back seat so I can report to duty ASAP.
The reason so many pilots don't get to enjoy this perk is because employers have taken it away in response to pilots like you that take advantage.
You and I are lucky in the sense that we book our own hotels, and don't have to justify what meals we eat on the road. Difference is, it's pilots like you that take advantage of the system and live an unreasonable lifestyle on the road on the companies dime, that so many of our other brethren are forced to have a food cap per day or per diem.
You take, take, take and have this feeling of entitlement. Some of your other posts lead me to believe you are unable to separate yourself from the guy in the back that actually owns the jet. You are trying to compensate for what you don't have and your out of touch with reality. "If it's good enough for the boss, it's good enough for me…" Thats great, and I can actually understand…Kind of…If I want to stay in a $1,000/night room my boss would be cool with it…Too a point. You and I both know that is not reality for 99% of the rest of corporate aviation. But you brought it up…If it's good enough for the boss, it's good enough for me. Dude, you're a pilot. You fly someone else's jet, get over yourself.
For what my airplanes support - a less then 20 million dollar a year business, and the types we fly…Without question i'll maintain that my operation, and the total compensation package and quality of living afforded to the crew members is industry leading and raising the bar. Are there better jobs out there? Of course. I'd love to fly someones 650 to PBI once a month and airline back home the same day.
Are there ways to improve my job? Naturally. I am working on putting together a proposal to hire a third crew member in the coming months.
Are there worse jobs? You better believe it. All too many.
Goodluck, I hope you can find some happiness.
To review, I said I am part of a 2 man flight department with two aircraft.
Pilot A is primary Mon-Sun and responsible for all trips during those days.
Pilot B is secondary Mon-Fri, will not fly more then three days during secondary week, and can turn down trips with less then 24 hours notice without fear of disciplinary action from employer. Saturday and Sunday of the secondary week are hard days off, and are expected to be maintained as such.
The clause allowing pilots to turn down trips with less then 24 hours notice without disciplinary action from employer is a protection for medical appointments, child care, previous plans, and an attempt to improve quality of life. Knowing I can turn down these trips without the fear of termination allows me to have a social life during my secondary or "soft" week, where I don't have to live by my cell phone 24/7. I have turned down many trips in the past and will continue to turn them down in the future if I have less then 24 hours notice and it is an inconvenience or a hardship for me or my family, but I will not turn them down on principal alone.
You are taking advantage of the system if you do each and every time without exception. It's people like you that ruin it for the rest of us. I'm one of the lucky ones with this protection that I don't have to live by my phone 24/7. That I can do as I please during my secondary week and don't have to keep a suite and tie hanging in my back seat so I can report to duty ASAP.
The reason so many pilots don't get to enjoy this perk is because employers have taken it away in response to pilots like you that take advantage.
You and I are lucky in the sense that we book our own hotels, and don't have to justify what meals we eat on the road. Difference is, it's pilots like you that take advantage of the system and live an unreasonable lifestyle on the road on the companies dime, that so many of our other brethren are forced to have a food cap per day or per diem.
You take, take, take and have this feeling of entitlement. Some of your other posts lead me to believe you are unable to separate yourself from the guy in the back that actually owns the jet. You are trying to compensate for what you don't have and your out of touch with reality. "If it's good enough for the boss, it's good enough for me…" Thats great, and I can actually understand…Kind of…If I want to stay in a $1,000/night room my boss would be cool with it…Too a point. You and I both know that is not reality for 99% of the rest of corporate aviation. But you brought it up…If it's good enough for the boss, it's good enough for me. Dude, you're a pilot. You fly someone else's jet, get over yourself.
For what my airplanes support - a less then 20 million dollar a year business, and the types we fly…Without question i'll maintain that my operation, and the total compensation package and quality of living afforded to the crew members is industry leading and raising the bar. Are there better jobs out there? Of course. I'd love to fly someones 650 to PBI once a month and airline back home the same day.
Are there ways to improve my job? Naturally. I am working on putting together a proposal to hire a third crew member in the coming months.
Are there worse jobs? You better believe it. All too many.
Goodluck, I hope you can find some happiness.
08-13-2014, 01:58 PM
#63
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 473
Originally Posted by GrummanCT
I'd like to you re-read this thread. You are making things up, plain and simple.
To review, I said I am part of a 2 man flight department with two aircraft.
Pilot A is primary Mon-Sun and responsible for all trips during those days.
Pilot B is secondary Mon-Fri, will not fly more then three days during secondary week, and can turn down trips with less then 24 hours notice without fear of disciplinary action from employer. Saturday and Sunday of the secondary week are hard days off, and are expected to be maintained as such.
The clause allowing pilots to turn down trips with less then 24 hours notice without disciplinary action from employer is a protection for medical appointments, child care, previous plans, and an attempt to improve quality of life. Knowing I can turn down these trips without the fear of termination allows me to have a social life during my secondary or "soft" week, where I don't have to live by my cell phone 24/7. I have turned down many trips in the past and will continue to turn them down in the future if I have less then 24 hours notice and it is an inconvenience or a hardship for me or my family, but I will not turn them down on principal alone.
You are taking advantage of the system if you do each and every time without exception. It's people like you that ruin it for the rest of us. I'm one of the lucky ones with this protection that I don't have to live by my phone 24/7. That I can do as I please during my secondary week and don't have to keep a suite and tie hanging in my back seat so I can report to duty ASAP.
The reason so many pilots don't get to enjoy this perk is because employers have taken it away in response to pilots like you that take advantage.
You and I are lucky in the sense that we book our own hotels, and don't have to justify what meals we eat on the road. Difference is, it's pilots like you that take advantage of the system and live an unreasonable lifestyle on the road on the companies dime, that so many of our other brethren are forced to have a food cap per day or per diem.
You take, take, take and have this feeling of entitlement. Some of your other posts lead me to believe you are unable to separate yourself from the guy in the back that actually owns the jet. You are trying to compensate for what you don't have and your out of touch with reality. "If it's good enough for the boss, it's good enough for me…" Thats great, and I can actually understand…Kind of…If I want to stay in a $1,000/night room my boss would be cool with it…Too a point. You and I both know that is not reality for 99% of the rest of corporate aviation. But you brought it up…If it's good enough for the boss, it's good enough for me. Dude, you're a pilot. You fly someone else's jet, get over yourself.
For what my airplanes support - a less then 20 million dollar a year business, and the types we fly…Without question i'll maintain that my operation, and the total compensation package and quality of living afforded to the crew members is industry leading and raising the bar. Are there better jobs out there? Of course. I'd love to fly someones 650 to PBI once a month and airline back home the same day.
Are there ways to improve my job? Naturally. I am working on putting together a proposal to hire a third crew member in the coming months.
Are there worse jobs? You better believe it. All too many.
Goodluck, I hope you can find some happiness.
To review, I said I am part of a 2 man flight department with two aircraft.
Pilot A is primary Mon-Sun and responsible for all trips during those days.
Pilot B is secondary Mon-Fri, will not fly more then three days during secondary week, and can turn down trips with less then 24 hours notice without fear of disciplinary action from employer. Saturday and Sunday of the secondary week are hard days off, and are expected to be maintained as such.
The clause allowing pilots to turn down trips with less then 24 hours notice without disciplinary action from employer is a protection for medical appointments, child care, previous plans, and an attempt to improve quality of life. Knowing I can turn down these trips without the fear of termination allows me to have a social life during my secondary or "soft" week, where I don't have to live by my cell phone 24/7. I have turned down many trips in the past and will continue to turn them down in the future if I have less then 24 hours notice and it is an inconvenience or a hardship for me or my family, but I will not turn them down on principal alone.
You are taking advantage of the system if you do each and every time without exception. It's people like you that ruin it for the rest of us. I'm one of the lucky ones with this protection that I don't have to live by my phone 24/7. That I can do as I please during my secondary week and don't have to keep a suite and tie hanging in my back seat so I can report to duty ASAP.
The reason so many pilots don't get to enjoy this perk is because employers have taken it away in response to pilots like you that take advantage.
You and I are lucky in the sense that we book our own hotels, and don't have to justify what meals we eat on the road. Difference is, it's pilots like you that take advantage of the system and live an unreasonable lifestyle on the road on the companies dime, that so many of our other brethren are forced to have a food cap per day or per diem.
You take, take, take and have this feeling of entitlement. Some of your other posts lead me to believe you are unable to separate yourself from the guy in the back that actually owns the jet. You are trying to compensate for what you don't have and your out of touch with reality. "If it's good enough for the boss, it's good enough for me…" Thats great, and I can actually understand…Kind of…If I want to stay in a $1,000/night room my boss would be cool with it…Too a point. You and I both know that is not reality for 99% of the rest of corporate aviation. But you brought it up…If it's good enough for the boss, it's good enough for me. Dude, you're a pilot. You fly someone else's jet, get over yourself.
For what my airplanes support - a less then 20 million dollar a year business, and the types we fly…Without question i'll maintain that my operation, and the total compensation package and quality of living afforded to the crew members is industry leading and raising the bar. Are there better jobs out there? Of course. I'd love to fly someones 650 to PBI once a month and airline back home the same day.
Are there ways to improve my job? Naturally. I am working on putting together a proposal to hire a third crew member in the coming months.
Are there worse jobs? You better believe it. All too many.
Goodluck, I hope you can find some happiness.
You are trying to change the cards in hand, poor attempt.
You are the first one to enforce the disciplinary actions, if a pilot refuses flights during allowed time per your contract. And you say that those disciplinary actions are needed.
I bet you actually like to fire people.
What you call taking advantage of the system, I call corporate perks.
What you call unreasonable life style, I call well deserved and earned modus vivendi.
What you call days off, I call stand bye available.
What you call helping out, I call ass kissing.
What you call climbing the ladder, I call back stabbing.
We are different, but the main difference is that I would never get a pilot fired for respecting the work rules. You instead, brag about it.
That was what really tickeld me wrong, and you are welcome to take it back, or to stand by it. Am I making this up too?
You have not been around enough to even know how badly the work rules are needed, these rules that you accuse me to be the unfortunate cause. These rules that you feel free to write and brake, showing such poor consistency, low ethic, and lack of leadership.
I guess you would prefer an handshake. I don't. I demand work rules, and I expect them to be respected.
Exceptions can be made, with the right qui pro quo.
If you don't like the work rules, and you have so much pull in the department, change them, to reflect more your attitude. No reasons to have rules if you are the first that don't want them respected. But don't come and brag that you have rules, you feel free to adopt them or not at your leisure, and are willing to get other pilots fired if they don't follow your unwritten policy.
It is good you stay in a smaller corporation as yours, would you make the jump, you will start spreading your virus.
Please now, I am tire of this subject, and especially tired of your obnoxious attitude.
Last edited by NoSidNoStar; 08-13-2014 at 02:02 PM. Reason: Spelling error
08-16-2014, 04:19 AM
#64
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Joined APC: Jan 2010
Position: Captian, G450, G550 (Ret.)
Posts: 165
NoSidNoStar,
A few posts back you stated you were using "....sarcasm intentionally meant, trying to defuse the situation with a joke..."
If you are truely trying to defuse the situation, please stop posting in this thread
Kevin
A few posts back you stated you were using "....sarcasm intentionally meant, trying to defuse the situation with a joke..."
If you are truely trying to defuse the situation, please stop posting in this thread
Kevin
08-16-2014, 04:13 PM
#65
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: Left seat on a kite
Posts: 1,884
Originally Posted by 7Xdriver
NoSidNoStar,
A few posts back you stated you were using "....sarcasm intentionally meant, trying to defuse the situation with a joke..."
If you are truely trying to defuse the situation, please stop posting in this thread
Kevin
A few posts back you stated you were using "....sarcasm intentionally meant, trying to defuse the situation with a joke..."
If you are truely trying to defuse the situation, please stop posting in this thread
Kevin
Once you start, there's no turning back.
We must know how we are wrong by not going to the 121 world and making shat tons of money and having copious amounts of time off.
08-16-2014, 07:11 PM
#66
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 473
Originally Posted by RI830
He can't!!! He's found the legal crack called APC.
Once you start, there's no turning back.
We must know how we are wrong by not going to the 121 world and making shat tons of money and having copious amounts of time off.
Once you start, there's no turning back.
We must know how we are wrong by not going to the 121 world and making shat tons of money and having copious amounts of time off.
I need to detox. Should I start a thread asking how to detox?
(But stays my beef with who brags about throwing other pilots under the bus for abiding to the contract, no beef with other guys)
Last edited by NoSidNoStar; 08-16-2014 at 07:12 PM. Reason: Spelling
08-17-2014, 03:49 PM
#67
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Joined APC: May 2010
Position: Baja Vermont
Posts: 5,177
As a corporate guy who bought his own Krieghoff, I'm insulted no one handed one over as bribe. Ha Ha.
The fact is not everyone will get a legacy airline job, nor want one. QOL isn't just days off of passes. I've seen and done things few can imagine and am glad of the career I had.
GF
The fact is not everyone will get a legacy airline job, nor want one. QOL isn't just days off of passes. I've seen and done things few can imagine and am glad of the career I had.
GF
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