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Old 05-22-2016, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Airdale View Post
I left the regionals a year ago to work at FlightSafety, after spending 9+ years in the right seat. I enjoy working at FSI. The corporate culture is much different than what you'd experience in the airlines. I get paid a LOT more, the benefits are much better (401k, health etc). We have several bonus programs now and for 3 months straight I earned an additional $1200/month. I'm home every night. Our center has excellent management who cares very much about the morale of all who are under this roof. I've had clients scheduled for training when something came up at home, no worries, not even a personal day needed. We have monthly "fun" things we do courtesy of our fun committee, like a company golfing day etc. The pay is very competitive, although yearly raises aren't a whole lot. Lots of opportunity to move up within the company and within your center.

Each FSI center, while adhering to the corporate policies and of course regulatory requirements, operates independently. The center managers have a tremendous influence on the type of corporate environment within that building. We have a great center manager, who focuses on employee satisfaction. I've heard other centers aren't so lucky. The Center manager also controls staffing, so in some cases a center may staff less to boost the profit margin and make themselves look good on paper to corporate. But this process is slowly changing at the corporate level, as FSI corporate level management is taking serious notice to instructor morale.

My only complaint about FSI, is that yes, when times are busy we are stretched thin in our department, and must work 6 days on. The end benefit is that if working hours are high at months end, I get a bonus of $1200. I work in a relatively small program, so we tend to ebb and flow between busy as slow. Other programs can be very busy and if management does not staff properly, you will get frustrated.

Overall, I feel as though FSI is a great company to work for. My starting salary was 2.3x what I made in the airlines and I get to see my now 7 month old son every morning, have dinner with him every night and get to sleep in my own home with my family every night.

My suggestion is to ask around at the center you want to work at. Try and guage how morale is, because it really varies from center to center. I work at a center where 100% of our business are corporate clients. I can see the centers that do mostly airline training would be much more conducive to the airline type of life with scheduling, morale etc.
Which center do you work at? Just curious
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Old 06-02-2016, 01:28 AM
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I applied at a certain FSI facility, got interviewed and this is what I was told: you get only hired part time. 6 month of training and observing at 20 hrs a week, then exam (classroom and type rating), after a year a second type rating. The maximum pay was ok, minimum is zero.
It takes a long time before they turn you lose. I thought it was something where you get a set of manuals, be taught how to teach it, go from there. No. Observe several classes, then teach while being observed, do type rating for the aircraft, learn how to teach the sim. Checkride again.
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Old 06-02-2016, 05:10 AM
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The CAE guys seems to think they make more than the FSI guys... Something to consider if true.
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Old 06-15-2016, 06:59 PM
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I'm a FSI instructor and can answer any question you want. Send me a PM. And I'm VERY happy here. The benefits are superb!😃
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Old 06-17-2016, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by overcast View Post
I applied at a certain FSI facility, got interviewed and this is what I was told: you get only hired part time. 6 month of training and observing at 20 hrs a week, then exam (classroom and type rating), after a year a second type rating. The maximum pay was ok, minimum is zero.
It takes a long time before they turn you lose. I thought it was something where you get a set of manuals, be taught how to teach it, go from there. No. Observe several classes, then teach while being observed, do type rating for the aircraft, learn how to teach the sim. Checkride again.
That's kind of insane. At CAE, you go through initial, spend a week or two observing sims, then you spend a while teaching under supervision. I was up and running within a month, although I was typed andd experienced in the airplane before I came to work there.

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The CAE guys seems to think they make more than the FSI guys... Something to consider if true.
CAE pays you an extra $400 for any days where you work over 10 hours and an extra $400 if you work a day off. You can make a lot of extra bonus money. When I was full time, I worked a double nearly every Sunday.
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Old 06-21-2016, 10:18 PM
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Not at the DFW facility. I work there. Full-time on day ONE.
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Old 06-22-2016, 12:09 PM
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I know people at both, and both say they have their positives and negatives. Your best bet is to get to know someone at the facilities you want to work at and then take what they say with a grain of salt. Personal attitude has as much to do with it as the company.

At CAE, they have been increasing pay to have better retention. They still lack (severely) in the health and retirement benefits. FSI has better health and retirement.

CAE has consistent schedules and when you are done you can leave. At FSI, the electronic records record your input time and you will be addressed if you finished to early.

CAE is clique-ish. Moving from one program to another requires some booty kissin and permission from the program manager. I'm not sure how FSI does it.

I think that your experience at either will depend heavily on your attitude. You can make a good career out of either if you want to.
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Old 06-22-2016, 04:59 PM
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A previous poster commented about premium pay for >10 Hours duty time. What about the 8in24 rule for Part 142 instruction?
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Old 06-22-2016, 05:33 PM
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Eight hours of Sim D instruction I believe is the limit. Each sim has a brief and debrief. This time is not counted. It is a six hour period at CAE for each sim. You can teach two sim periods which makes for a very long day. Usually there is a several hour break between periods. Also, ground school doesn't count against the limit, so if you taught ground school from 9 to six, guess who can legally still teach a six hour sim session? The bonus money goes away with the first down turn. The program you work in is as only as good as the manager and scheduler that you work for. They love to talk about your two days off per week at the interview. Good luck ever really getting it as a full-time employee. Three years full-time and ten years part-time. I know what I am talking about. 2.5 times his salary at the flying gig? All I can say is his prior salary must of really sucked.
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Old 06-24-2016, 06:04 AM
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So in a nutshell, what does an average full time FSI instructor make in a year?
First year? After 3 years?
Assume it's a multi-engine jet, if that matters.
And how quick to move into other leadership roles (assuming you have that type of experience and qualification)?
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