Citation Latitude
11-18-2016, 06:06 PM
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Spoilers constantly, APU, leaking hydraulics,
Parts are a joke, everything shows up with a no fault found
on the repair tag. Of course I find it on the next flight.
2 year old airplanes with 1200 hrs.
I may be biased, flew Sovereigns for 8 years
that never broke.
Parts are a joke, everything shows up with a no fault found
on the repair tag. Of course I find it on the next flight.
2 year old airplanes with 1200 hrs.
I may be biased, flew Sovereigns for 8 years
that never broke.
11-21-2016, 11:39 AM
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We've been evaluating the Latitude and the Legacy 450 as upgrade candidates from the Phenom. With the downward pricing pressure on the 450, plus similar cabin size with higher cruise speeds (the Latitude cruises at the same speed as the Phenom, really?) and range, it's going to be hard to beat.
Personally, I was a big advocate for a Sovereign+, but I guess Cessna might be phasing that one out? Seems out of place between the Latitude and Longitude performance wise, but with a smaller cabin. Strange.
Personally, I was a big advocate for a Sovereign+, but I guess Cessna might be phasing that one out? Seems out of place between the Latitude and Longitude performance wise, but with a smaller cabin. Strange.
11-22-2016, 05:51 AM
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Good, I'm glad to hear some positive feedback on the Latitude! Personally, I'm pulling for the Legacy, It looks like a great airframe
Just another quick question, will the Latitude make Hawaii? I've heard of a local operator near us who took their "classic" first gen Sovereign to Hawaii a few times Part 91 but something about a "wet footprint"? I know absolutely nothing about crossing oceans so that's foreign talk to me!
Just another quick question, will the Latitude make Hawaii? I've heard of a local operator near us who took their "classic" first gen Sovereign to Hawaii a few times Part 91 but something about a "wet footprint"? I know absolutely nothing about crossing oceans so that's foreign talk to me!
11-22-2016, 05:58 AM
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Wet footprint means somewhere in the middle there is a time where the plane cannot land in the event of depresssurization (descent to F100) or in the event of an engine failure and driftdown to OEI cruise ceiling.
All overwater legs should be, and are for FAR 121 ops, with a dry footprint--in either event or a combination of events, sufficient fuel remains to continue or return from the ETP to land with appropriate reserves. I rather doubt the small Cessnas can make Hawaii "dry".
GF
All overwater legs should be, and are for FAR 121 ops, with a dry footprint--in either event or a combination of events, sufficient fuel remains to continue or return from the ETP to land with appropriate reserves. I rather doubt the small Cessnas can make Hawaii "dry".
GF
11-22-2016, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Wet footprint means somewhere in the middle there is a time where the plane cannot land in the event of depresssurization (descent to F100) or in the event of an engine failure and driftdown to OEI cruise ceiling.
All overwater legs should be, and are for FAR 121 ops, with a dry footprint--in either event or a combination of events, sufficient fuel remains to continue or return from the ETP to land with appropriate reserves. I rather doubt the small Cessnas can make Hawaii "dry".
GF
All overwater legs should be, and are for FAR 121 ops, with a dry footprint--in either event or a combination of events, sufficient fuel remains to continue or return from the ETP to land with appropriate reserves. I rather doubt the small Cessnas can make Hawaii "dry".
GF
11-22-2016, 06:43 AM
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I think Cessna has a large O2 bottle option allowing the Sovereign to make west coast-Hawaii without a wet footprint (even 135) as depressurization is the most restrictive performance issue.
Of course winds matter.
And I could be completely wrong...
Of course winds matter.
And I could be completely wrong...
11-23-2016, 03:05 AM
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In my last Sovereign recurrent my sim partner flew from Carlsbad (4900 ft runway) to Hawaii most every weekend. 1671 nm and no matter what the winds were he landed with at least 4000 lbs of fuel. We ran our Sovereign's
out to 2700 mm a couple times, Hawaii would be easy.
Dave
out to 2700 mm a couple times, Hawaii would be easy.
Dave
11-23-2016, 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by grimmdj
In my last Sovereign recurrent my sim partner flew from Carlsbad (4900 ft runway) to Hawaii most every weekend. 1671 nm and no matter what the winds were he landed with at least 4000 lbs of fuel. We ran our Sovereign's
out to 2700 mm a couple times, Hawaii would be easy.
Dave
out to 2700 mm a couple times, Hawaii would be easy.
Dave
11-23-2016, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by grimmdj
In my last Sovereign recurrent my sim partner flew from Carlsbad (4900 ft runway) to Hawaii most every weekend. 1671 nm and no matter what the winds were he landed with at least 4000 lbs of fuel. We ran our Sovereign's
out to 2700 mm a couple times, Hawaii would be easy.
Dave
out to 2700 mm a couple times, Hawaii would be easy.
Dave
Larger O2 bottles means the pax will be breathing on a hose above 13,000' for sometime--not the nicest experience.
GF
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