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2StgTurbine 12-04-2016 04:46 PM

Winter Ops Quesiton
 
ATTEN Mods. I am posting this here to get more visibility for pilots who would know the answer.

In regards to Cold Weather Restricted Airport procedures as outlined in AIM 7-2-3 and NOTAM GEN16001, what is an approved method for interpolation?

For example, runway 15 into KBTV. When crossing FOVES (the FAF) outbound prior to beginning the procedure turn, the minimum altitude is 2,400 ft MSL which is 2,065 ft above the airport. The altimeter correction table in AIM 7-2-3 only has options for 2,000 feet or 3,000 feet above the airport. Does anyone know what the FAA wants us to use? I know that the most conservative option is to use the 3,000 ft column, but that seems extreme for only being slightly above the 2,000 ft column.

Flyer49er 12-05-2016 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 2255825)
ATTEN Mods. I am posting this here to get more visibility for pilots who would know the answer.

In regards to Cold Weather Restricted Airport procedures as outlined in AIM 7-2-3 and NOTAM GEN16001, what is an approved method for interpolation?

For example, runway 15 into KBTV. When crossing FOVES (the FAF) outbound prior to beginning the procedure turn, the minimum altitude is 2,400 ft MSL which is 2,065 ft above the airport. The altimeter correction table in AIM 7-2-3 only has options for 2,000 feet or 3,000 feet above the airport. Does anyone know what the FAA wants us to use? I know that the most conservative option is to use the 3,000 ft column, but that seems extreme for only being slightly above the 2,000 ft column.

Lots of great information/discussion here:

http://forums.*************.com/showthread.php?111215-Cold-Temperature-Restricted-Airports

http://forums.*************.com/showthread.php?100456-Cold-Temperature-Restricted-Airports-Mandatory-Compliance-Is-Coming


http://forums.*************.com/showthread.php?94730-Mandatory-Cold-Temperature-Compensation

BPWI 12-05-2016 09:01 AM

This might sound stupid, but do you have the Temp Comp function on your FMS? Makes the dissemination of numbers monumentally easier.....

2StgTurbine 12-05-2016 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by BPWI (Post 2256171)
This might sound stupid, but do you have the Temp Comp function on your FMS? Makes the dissemination of numbers monumentally easier.....

Nope. Just one of those crappy FMS units that they only charge $90,000 for.

galaxy flyer 12-05-2016 06:24 PM

BPWI,

I suspect only Bombardier has temp comp in the FMS, haven't seen it even on the B777.

GF

4V14T0R 12-06-2016 04:27 AM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 2256613)
BPWI,



I suspect only Bombardier has temp comp in the FMS, haven't seen it even on the B777.



GF



That's interesting. The E170/175 has that capability.


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awacs 12-06-2016 07:39 AM

Suggest linear interpolation.

BPWI 12-06-2016 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 2256613)
BPWI,

I suspect only Bombardier has temp comp in the FMS, haven't seen it even on the B777.

GF

The OP didn't state what he was flying, but it's surprising to me that any corporate aircraft over a useful range of 5k didn't inherit that function. Only had to use it a handful of times, but sure is handy when needed.
Learning something new everyday-

N5139 12-06-2016 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 2256613)
BPWI,



I suspect only Bombardier has temp comp in the FMS, haven't seen it even on the B777.



GF



Most Gulfstreams have this feature.


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Lucky8888 12-06-2016 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 2256613)
BPWI,

I suspect only Bombardier has temp comp in the FMS, haven't seen it even on the B777.

GF

It's been in the Falcon 900LX since 2012. It's also in our G650's. I'm sure it's in a lot of business aircraft.

galaxy flyer 12-06-2016 06:53 PM

Learn something everyday

GF

Lucky8888 12-07-2016 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 2257444)
Learn something everyday

GF

Don't we all.

badflaps 12-07-2016 11:34 PM

Christmas Eve 1984, ILS out, I did an ASR in BTV. Try that now.

RI830 12-08-2016 04:03 AM


Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 2258356)
Christmas Eve 1984, ILS out, I did an ASR in BTV. Try that now.

In the snow and ice with no shoes....and it was an uphill approach too?!

badflaps 12-08-2016 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by RI830 (Post 2258392)
In the snow and ice with no shoes....and it was an uphill approach too?!

Lions, taggers, shoes were flip-flops. There was too much snow to tell if it was uphill.:D


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