Jetlife

How is a typical schedule for 135 no hard days off? That would be illegal.

say again

I agree. Is it 13 hard days off per quarter? Can't remember. The scumbag operators will go back and "pencil"in your hard days off on days you didn't fly even though you were on-call that day. Hell, some even give you days off while sitting at a hotel while on the road.

jonnyjetprop

FAR 135 non-scheduled is 13 days off a quarter. Yes, those can be sitting in a hotel, on the road.

CFI Guy

You get 13 "hard days" off per quarter but also get a number of "soft days" per month. The soft days (if you actually get them off) are counted towards the 13 days off per quarter 135 requirement. This is how it works at Clay Lacy on some fleets.

For example, say you have days off starting next week Thursday thru Sunday. The company calls you Wednesday afternoon and says they have a trip beginning the next day. Your "days off" now get pushed until the trip ends. If another trips pops up before you start your days off they can push them again.

The only way you are safe is (using my example) the company tries to call you on Thursday. You are already off and have no obligation to answer the phone until after Sunday.

So when I say you get no days off in essence you don't and it's legal. You can't plan anything until the last minute. My last company was even worse. You would never know when you had days off until around 5pm the day before.

Days off on the road can also be counted towards the 13 day off per quarter requirement. You are stuck in Podunk, USA for a couple days during a crew swap. You are by yourself so there's no possible way for the plane to fly so the company marks you as being "off".

As someone else mentioned, I worked for a dirt bag operator once who would go back and pencil in your days off when you had absolutely no idea that you weren't on call.

Jetlife

Yea what you describe is actually not legal. Days off have to be known in advance. You cannot wake up on duty, and have the company say "nevermind, you are off." I worked for a dirtbag outfit in OAK that would pull that crap.

Soft days off is the stupidest term I have ever heard of, and all the companies that use that term are sketchy from what I have experienced.

80emb145

As someone who works there, it's beyond amazing how much crap y'all spew. To the point where I'd have to go sentence by sentence to fix and you should just avoid hitting "reply."

What I will say is that no day off is spent in a hotel on the road. No retro days off. You'll actually get a schedule based off a days off request that you submitted. PM if you want details.

CFI Guy, Johnny, just back away from the computer.

jonnyjetprop

I was pointing out the regulation, not speaking to how things are done at CLA. Glad it's working out for you guys.

RNO Flyer

I'be seen the hiring mins on their website. Anybody know if they'll train to type (with or without a contract), or if they're expecting people to have a type rating walking in the door?

80emb145

without a type, you can expect the lear.

Taildragger46

I have friends there flying GIVs and GVs. They are all very happy. Pay is competitive. They all went there straight into those airframes Eva use of prior experience in Type. They do fly a good amount. From my perspective CL keeps their airplanes really busy for those owners that charter.

Best of luck to everyone!


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