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02-29-2020, 12:18 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by 305808
Would Delta’s interest in HAL be different now considering they no longer have an inter island monopoly?
02-29-2020, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by WindWalker999
So lets say Delta bought HAL. Assuming there was seniority list integration like NWA (not staple-and-flush like if American was the buyer). When the fences came down, where do you think HNL would sit seniority wise as a base compared to let’s say SEA or LAX?
02-29-2020, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
We don't fence bases if that is what you are talking about. I wish we did.
03-04-2020, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Poopchute701
From what I've heard, Dunkerley turned down a Delta buyout nine times. Maybe the current CEO will be more open to it.
HAL is good at what they do, serve a largely vacation (and govt) flying market to the islands of Hawaii. Those margins (even during the best of times) are razor thin. There is no monopoly in flying from Sydney to HNL or anywhere else they fly, if it were great margins, Delta (or anyone else for that matter) would buy some widebodies and do it.
Delta has been more focused on the higher-revenue crowd and then rounds out the loads with cheaper tickets to fill up the jets. They like to "right size" the equipment depending on the market. That means they try to do what it takes to make the privileged (but not so privileged that they fly GA) travelers cough up higher fares by running a good record for completion and on time. Building clubs in all the major airports they serve, so the few pax that pay the bills don't have to wait with the masses. In ATL the highest rollers get chauffeured between fits in a brand new Porsche, for example.
If Delta were to buy HAL, it would be to get airframes on the cheap (meaning HAL would have to be distressed priced) and a major percentage of those assets would be redeployed to markets that pay even more revenue, leaving Hawaii back to what it is, a low-yield market that needs to be served to keep your customers happy, but not monopolized to make massive amounts of money.
03-05-2020, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SD3FR8DOG
Continued decreased demand would lead to inevitable furloughs. I’m confident another airline would buy us before doors are shut, but then again I pray every day (twice on Sunday’s and Feb 29) for another airline to buy us (not southwest).
No merger, no seniority fuss, no entitlement, and instead just get good people who are grateful to have a job while weeding out the bad apples. Kinda like what Hawaiian did to Aloha 12 years ago.
03-05-2020, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Pretty sure that Southwest wouldn't buy Hawaiian. Instead, we'd probably let it get liquidated and then hire the people we like since then we'd own that market.
No merger, no seniority fuss, no entitlement, and instead just get good people who are grateful to have a job while weeding out the bad apples. Kinda like what Hawaiian did to Aloha 12 years ago.
No merger, no seniority fuss, no entitlement, and instead just get good people who are grateful to have a job while weeding out the bad apples. Kinda like what Hawaiian did to Aloha 12 years ago.
03-05-2020, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Pretty sure that Southwest wouldn't buy Hawaiian. Instead, we'd probably let it get liquidated and then hire the people we like since then we'd own that market.
No merger, no seniority fuss, no entitlement, and instead just get good people who are grateful to have a job while weeding out the bad apples. Kinda like what Hawaiian did to Aloha 12 years ago.
No merger, no seniority fuss, no entitlement, and instead just get good people who are grateful to have a job while weeding out the bad apples. Kinda like what Hawaiian did to Aloha 12 years ago.
03-05-2020, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Pretty sure that Southwest wouldn't buy Hawaiian. Instead, we'd probably let it get liquidated and then hire the people we like since then we'd own that market.
No merger, no seniority fuss, no entitlement, and instead just get good people who are grateful to have a job while weeding out the bad apples. Kinda like what Hawaiian did to Aloha 12 years ago.
No merger, no seniority fuss, no entitlement, and instead just get good people who are grateful to have a job while weeding out the bad apples. Kinda like what Hawaiian did to Aloha 12 years ago.
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