Is COVID-19 really that deadly.
04-02-2020, 06:00 AM
#151
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Originally Posted by GoneMissed
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/02/week...ss-claims.html
This is getting worse by the week. And will continue for at least 4 weeks. I see a significant portion of these jobs coming back but a lot won’t.
I was cautiously optimistic as of last week. I am no longer....again I hope I am 100% off and we see a quick V shaped recovery.
This is getting worse by the week. And will continue for at least 4 weeks. I see a significant portion of these jobs coming back but a lot won’t.
I was cautiously optimistic as of last week. I am no longer....again I hope I am 100% off and we see a quick V shaped recovery.
04-02-2020, 06:05 AM
#152
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I agree with you. Looking more as a U shaped recovery.
The sooner this ends, the sooner those jobs will come back. But if this goes on for a few more months, I just don’t see a lot of those jobs coming back because a lot of mom and pop shops won’t survive and large companies will downsize their workforce considerably compared to pre Covid times.
The sooner this ends, the sooner those jobs will come back. But if this goes on for a few more months, I just don’t see a lot of those jobs coming back because a lot of mom and pop shops won’t survive and large companies will downsize their workforce considerably compared to pre Covid times.
04-02-2020, 09:28 AM
#153
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Originally Posted by DustoffVT
With all due respect, your source does not show that at all. It projects 2000+ deaths a day for about a two week period this month then tapering off rapidly. Obviously tragic, but not "a few months".
We fly accurate ref speeds for a reason, the same reason that matters here. The large ranges also show the huge amount of uncertainty in the projections.
What is not uncertain is the financial impact of all this.
We fly accurate ref speeds for a reason, the same reason that matters here. The large ranges also show the huge amount of uncertainty in the projections.
What is not uncertain is the financial impact of all this.
04-02-2020, 06:46 PM
#154
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https://www.wearecentralpa.com/news/...id-19-vaccine/
This may not amount to much, but a full court press in on for a vaccine. Yes, even if a ways out, we’re gaining ground everyday.
This may not amount to much, but a full court press in on for a vaccine. Yes, even if a ways out, we’re gaining ground everyday.
04-04-2020, 10:04 AM
#156
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Originally Posted by AntiPeter
Silver is great, I agree. I won't argue that lockdowns aren't effective, my argument is the cost associated with them outweigh
the benefits.
This is not a pleasant or politically correct conversation to have, I think it becomes one of ethics and morality. In the end I think most people are in charge of their own health -- the decision whether to lockdown or quarantine is personal and should not be mandated by the government. This disease effects people so differently (from asymptomatic to death) treating everyone with blanket restrictions seems really overbearing and causes a lot of problems that haven't been discussed much yet.
the benefits.
This is not a pleasant or politically correct conversation to have, I think it becomes one of ethics and morality. In the end I think most people are in charge of their own health -- the decision whether to lockdown or quarantine is personal and should not be mandated by the government. This disease effects people so differently (from asymptomatic to death) treating everyone with blanket restrictions seems really overbearing and causes a lot of problems that haven't been discussed much yet.
To base decisions on that “difficult discussion” you mention - at this time- you have to be willing to walk into an overcrowded and desperate hospital, look everyone there in the eye and tell them, “you’re just not worth it”, before you turn out the lights.
And that’s just a loose analogy to the impact on thousands that will be affected directly and indirectly by this illness and death. I, for one, am extremely impressed and thankful our leaders have chosen to sacrifice economic value for human value in the face of this dynamic and uncertain threat to life. That simple virtue underpins the entire reason there is any value to an economy at all.
In time, once we have done all we can to confront this virus, we will come to terms with the unavoidable life and death implications of living with it as a fact of nature. But until then, in my opinion, the efforts and sacrifices we have made and continue to make are unquestionably heroic, and absolutely the right thing to do.
04-04-2020, 11:02 AM
#157
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Originally Posted by MagooFlew
It’s also one of humanity, faith, and belief that our system is truly dedicated to “Insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, and promote the general welfare”.
To base decisions on that “difficult discussion” you mention - at this time- you have to be willing to walk into an overcrowded and desperate hospital, look everyone there in the eye and tell them, “you’re just not worth it”, before you turn out the lights.
And that’s just a loose analogy to the impact on thousands that will be affected directly and indirectly by this illness and death. I, for one, am extremely impressed and thankful our leaders have chosen to sacrifice economic value for human value in the face of this dynamic and uncertain threat to life. That simple virtue underpins the entire reason there is any value to an economy at all.
In time, once we have done all we can to confront this virus, we will come to terms with the unavoidable life and death implications of living with it as a fact of nature. But until then, in my opinion, the efforts and sacrifices we have made and continue to make are unquestionably heroic, and absolutely the right thing to do.
To base decisions on that “difficult discussion” you mention - at this time- you have to be willing to walk into an overcrowded and desperate hospital, look everyone there in the eye and tell them, “you’re just not worth it”, before you turn out the lights.
And that’s just a loose analogy to the impact on thousands that will be affected directly and indirectly by this illness and death. I, for one, am extremely impressed and thankful our leaders have chosen to sacrifice economic value for human value in the face of this dynamic and uncertain threat to life. That simple virtue underpins the entire reason there is any value to an economy at all.
In time, once we have done all we can to confront this virus, we will come to terms with the unavoidable life and death implications of living with it as a fact of nature. But until then, in my opinion, the efforts and sacrifices we have made and continue to make are unquestionably heroic, and absolutely the right thing to do.
Heroic isn’t the way I’d describe “leadership” that has bungled the nation’s response. True leadership in the face of a national emergency, a true unparalleled global catastrophe, would put aside petty differences and act on the virtues that you espouse.
04-04-2020, 12:46 PM
#158
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Some surprising numbers are starting to emerge from Asia.
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1375
Apparently the vast majority of cases appear to be asymptomatic. While that’s terrible in the short term since lots of people unknowingly transmit the disease to others, wouldn’t it also mean that the mortality rates are a lot lower and some sort of “herd immunity” will be achieved a lot sooner than previously thought??
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1375
Apparently the vast majority of cases appear to be asymptomatic. While that’s terrible in the short term since lots of people unknowingly transmit the disease to others, wouldn’t it also mean that the mortality rates are a lot lower and some sort of “herd immunity” will be achieved a lot sooner than previously thought??
04-06-2020, 10:58 AM
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Not sure if the bbs allows links, but this is a useful projection of current modeling from IHME in Seattle.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/proje...wOihtm4BxuORig
If the projection is true, things should really settle down in June.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/proje...wOihtm4BxuORig
If the projection is true, things should really settle down in June.
Last edited by rp2pilot; 04-06-2020 at 10:59 AM. Reason: adding more content
04-06-2020, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by rp2pilot
Not sure if the bbs allows links, but this is a useful projection of current modeling from IHME in Seattle.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/proje...wOihtm4BxuORig
If the projection is true, things should really settle down in June.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/proje...wOihtm4BxuORig
If the projection is true, things should really settle down in June.
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