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navigatro 03-27-2020 03:29 AM

AA F/A dies of COVID-19
 
AA F/A dies of Covid-19...


Paul Frishkorn, a Philadelphia-based American Airlines flight attendant and union representative, died Monday from coronavirus, the airline confirmed Thursday.

"Earlier this week, we lost a respected, longtime member of the American Airlines family, who tested positive for COVID-19," a statement from American Airlines released Thursday read. "Our hearts go out to Paul’s loved ones, many of whom work for American."


https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...es/2923372001/

AllYourBaseAreB 03-27-2020 03:56 AM

One of the best too... sad

Jetstream823js 03-31-2020 06:57 AM

This is sad but I'm afraid we are going to have to get used to it.
American Airlines has aproximately 40,000 crew members.
If 25% of us become infected ( a conservative estimate) and 2% die (another conservative estimate) that would be aproximately 200 of our co workers dying.
Not trying to be morbid. Just the reality.

GoCats67 03-31-2020 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by Jetstream823js (Post 3018277)
This is sad but I'm afraid we are going to have to get used to it.
American Airlines has aproximately 40,000 crew members.
If 25% of us become infected ( a conservative estimate) and 2% die (another conservative estimate) that would be aproximately 200 of our co workers dying.
Not trying to be morbid. Just the reality.

Calling 2% death rate a "conservative" estimate seems anything but. Granted many crew members on the FA side are getting up there in age, a vast majority are not. The average age of deaths in Italy is still in the 80's, and I know we don't have pilots over 65 and prob not many FAs over 80!!!

rickair7777 03-31-2020 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by Jetstream823js (Post 3018277)
This is sad but I'm afraid we are going to have to get used to it.
American Airlines has aproximately 40,000 crew members.
If 25% of us become infected ( a conservative estimate) and 2% die (another conservative estimate) that would be aproximately 200 of our co workers dying.
Not trying to be morbid. Just the reality.

Hysterical reality. Although if I were an FA much over age 65 I might stay home for a while.

Pilot X 03-31-2020 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by GoCats67 (Post 3018308)
Calling 2% death rate a "conservative" estimate seems anything but. Granted many crew members on the FA side are getting up there in age, a vast majority are not. The average age of deaths in Italy is still in the 80's, and I know we don't have pilots over 65 and prob not many FAs over 80!!!


guess you haven’t flown international out of phl huh

Arado 234 03-31-2020 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by Pilot X (Post 3018402)
guess you haven’t flown international out of phl huh

Remember the PIT satellite base? Couldn't touch with less than 40 years of seniority!

SonicFlyer 03-31-2020 09:33 AM

How old was the F/A? Did they have any other medical conditions?

Jetstream823js 03-31-2020 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by GoCats67 (Post 3018308)
Calling 2% death rate a "conservative" estimate seems anything but. Granted many crew members on the FA side are getting up there in age, a vast majority are not. The average age of deaths in Italy is still in the 80's, and I know we don't have pilots over 65 and prob not many FAs over 80!!!

The death rate in the U.S. on March 31st is 1.9% and expected to increase as hospitals become saturated.

The global death rate is 3.9 %.

200 dead crew members is an accurate estimate.

rld1k 03-31-2020 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by Jetstream823js (Post 3018544)
The death rate in the U.S. on March 31st is 1.9% and expected to increase as hospitals become saturated.

The global death rate is 3.9 %.

200 dead crew members is an accurate estimate.

Are the 80% of people who get mild symptoms and don't see a doctor accounted for in these 2%+ death rates?

dera 03-31-2020 11:37 AM

The Lancet just released a study estimating the fatality rate in China to be 0.66%.

copy 03-31-2020 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3018645)
The Lancet just released a study estimating the fatality rate in China to be 0.66%.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t that study use the numbers China officially released, which are basically fake news?

RI830 03-31-2020 10:26 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3018480)
How old was the F/A? Did they have any other medical conditions?

65 and had an underlying condition.
Sad indeed and prayers for the family.

OpMidClimax 04-01-2020 07:47 PM

Many fatalities in younger patients in the USA are occurring in patients that have no idea they have underlying health conditions. Also, the obesity correlation and males in metabolic syndrome has a high rate of comorbidity. So BMI over 30, belly button waste over 40 inches, hypertension, pre-diabetes and elevated cholesterol is proving to have a high correlation with serious illness when infected with Covid-19 virus. Many males do not know they meet this classification but in the final pathology report they are classified as underlying conditions.

Also smokers, vapers and past smokers are extremely vulnerable.

Another interesting thing that came out in the journals recently is neurological damage that a small subset of patients are experiencing. There is evidence of acute necrotizing encephalopathy of some patients and is correlating with loss of smell and taste symptoms. This is a a very small subset but has affected patients of all ages.

Please don't have the false sense that this is only effecting older populations. Yes they are very vulnerable, but this is also affecting younger demographics and with some hospitals being overrun, patients of all ages will be vulnerable.

Please stay safe. Protect yourself and protect eachother.

Jetstream823js 04-02-2020 04:45 AM


Originally Posted by GoCats67 (Post 3018308)
Calling 2% death rate a "conservative" estimate seems anything but

The death rate on April 2nd is 2.35%

RiddleEagle18 04-02-2020 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by Jetstream823js (Post 3020446)
The death rate on April 2nd is 2.35%


The death rate for “confirmed cases”

How many undiagnosed? My sister went to hospital in an ambulance and they didn’t even test her.

The actual mortality rate is much much lower.


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Jetstream823js 04-02-2020 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 3020615)
The death rate for “confirmed cases”

How many undiagnosed? My sister went to hospital in an ambulance and they didn’t even test her.

The actual mortality rate is much much lower.

The rate may be lower but the total fatality number remains the same.

Jetstream823js 04-02-2020 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 3020615)
The death rate for “confirmed cases”

How many undiagnosed? My sister went to hospital in an ambulance and they didn’t even test her.

The actual mortality rate is much much lower.

The rate may be lower but the total fatality number remains the same.

tommy2times 04-02-2020 09:35 AM

If I was 60+ I would definitely retire ASAP, what good is the money when you are goin to be 6 feet below in dirt.
I hate to be hasty.

Grumpyaviator 04-02-2020 06:44 PM

The numbers of infections in younger adults is higher than expected but the death rate is much higher in individuals >60 or with underlying conditions.

death rate by age

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...-demographics/

infections by age

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm

Grumpyaviator 04-02-2020 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by tommy2times (Post 3020821)
If I was 60+ I would definitely retire ASAP, what good is the money when you are goin to be 6 feet below in dirt.
I hate to be hasty.

...but it helps the seniority! 😅

OpMidClimax 04-03-2020 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator (Post 3021592)
The numbers of infections in younger adults is higher than expected but the death rate is much higher in individuals >60 or with underlying conditions.

death rate by age

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...-demographics/

infections by age

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm

Unfortunately the CDC data in the article is now out of date. Plus collecting data in the middle of the storm is getting a little messy.

OVBIII 04-03-2020 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by OpMidClimax (Post 3022358)
Unfortunately the CDC data in the article is now out of date. Plus collecting data in the middle of the storm is getting a little messy.

I have to agree about the data collecting. My wife is has a virology/immunology background (worked at various crime labs)...she mentions that we won’t know the actual numbers and stats for years to come (so to speak...or phrasing).

badflaps 04-03-2020 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3018480)
How old was the F/A? Did they have any other medical conditions?

Sometimes that doesn't fit the narrative.

Excargodog 04-03-2020 01:04 PM

In Washington State the Department of Health has been keeping track. Approximately 55% of all fatalities are 80 years of age or older:

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/Coronavirus

Only 7% of fatalities are under 60 years of age. 37% are 60-79. Only 1% of all fatalities are under 40.


Yeah, ANYBODY can get it and ANYBODY can die of it but the RISK of dying of it if you do get it is pretty low for anyone under 60 without some serious preexisting conditions.

badflaps 04-03-2020 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3022401)
In Washington State the Department of Health has been keeping track. Approximately 55% of all fatalities are 80 years of age or older:

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/Coronavirus

Only 7% of fatalities are under 60 years of age. 37% are 60-79. Only 1% of all fatalities are under 40.


Yeah, ANYBODY can get it and ANYBODY can die of it but the RISK of dying of it if you do get it is pretty low for anyone under 60 without some serious preexisting conditions.

At 80, just about anything will knock you on your butt. I am especially leery of dogs and leashes.

AllYourBaseAreB 04-03-2020 03:10 PM

The death rate for people under 60 will skyrocket in areas where they run out of ventilators. They may not even give your healthy grandma a fighting chance in order to give it to a 30 year old. This is already happening in Italy, and probably Spain too

450knotOffice 04-05-2020 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB (Post 3022539)
The death rate for people under 60 will skyrocket in areas where they run out of ventilators. They may not even give your healthy grandma a fighting chance in order to give it to a 30 year old. This is already happening in Italy, and probably Spain too

Sources for all of those comments?

Sandwich Artist 04-05-2020 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by 450knotOffice (Post 3024388)
Sources for all of those comments?

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