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BoilerUP 04-15-2020 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3032778)
I hope I'm wrong. The vaccine for the original SARS1, developed in 2003, has been stuck in manufacturing quality control for 17 years. Hopefully, we will invent new technology in the coming weeks to make it work for SARS2.

SARS vaccine research stopped once WHO declared the epidemic over.

Myfingershurt 04-15-2020 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by fishforfun (Post 3025983)
He’s not the leading physician, the US surgeon general is

I think you’re confusing top ranked with leading. Top ranked is an assigned position. Leading is an earned and proven title. I don’t think either of those two are the nations leading physicians, even when it comes to Covid-19.

Mesabah 04-15-2020 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 3032815)
SARS vaccine research stopped once WHO declared the epidemic over.

In humans probably, not all however, but research continued non-stop on vaccinating animals against Coronavirus to this day. They were working on a coronavirus animal vaccine in Wuhan China, the team of scientists went missing though.

GogglesPisano 04-15-2020 01:35 PM

If the talking heads on CNN had mentioned this instead of the talking heads on Fox, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Grumpyaviator 04-15-2020 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by WutFace (Post 3024948)
It's laughable that people are tripping over themselves to grab a drug that has very shaky evidence of its efficacy. Meanwhile robbing the stockpiles to those who actually need it.

Mark my words. Trump has invested heavily in HCQ manufacturers. And you all are suckers for buying up a drug that doesn't work against COVID-19.

wrong, hcq is generic and has very little profit margin. That’s why large pharma, the legislators and insurance regulators they pay off are against its use.

btw, more than 6000 European doctors have prescribed it to thousands of patients with great success. Anecdotal, but the results are real.

deltabound 04-15-2020 03:03 PM

Not an epidemiologist, but I've read a few articles that say a vaccine may never be possible for this, or at least one that's any more effective than the every year flu "guess".

The public might just have to get used to the idea that there are going to be ongoing deaths from this thing, and life has to continue anyway.

How you convince the flying public/crews (who still won't wear masks, or obsessively wash their hands) to do this is beyond me. It might just take time.

Along those lines: this thing seems to hit obese people the hardest. As well as men over 50, and women over 60. Maybe everyone who can't hide in their home should just accept that fact that life isn't always safe, and you're not guaranteed a lifespan of 70 years. Choices matter (for the fatties, sayeth perpetually failing at dieting "deltabound"...sigh)

Not sure the West is ready to hear that. Old people, at risk groups, shelter in place. Everyone else, pop a HCL, bring extra toilet paper (Montezuma's Revenge a common side effect) and get on with the business of life.

I think that's where the public will be in 3-6 weeks.

forgot to bid 04-15-2020 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3032905)
If the talking heads on CNN had mentioned this instead of the talking heads on Fox, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

if Obama mentioned this in a tweet before Trump then I’m pretty sure it would be called a miracle cure and trump was late and failed and Obama saved us.

After all the prism all things are judged through is winning the next election.

So the joke from the Babylon bee is not far off at all. If you could snap the economy back and it be higher this July than it was in January, and delta stock was at $75 and we were buying jets off the assembly lines left and right, some people here would not be happy.

forgot to bid 04-15-2020 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by deltabound (Post 3032995)
Not an epidemiologist, but I've read a few articles that say a vaccine may never be possible for this, or at least one that's any more effective than the every year flu "guess".

The public might just have to get used to the idea that there are going to be ongoing deaths from this thing, and life has to continue anyway.

How you convince the flying public/crews (who still won't wear masks, or obsessively wash their hands) to do this is beyond me. It might just take time.

Along those lines: this thing seems to hit obese people the hardest. As well as men over 50, and women over 60. Maybe everyone who can't hide in their home should just accept that fact that life isn't always safe, and you're not guaranteed a lifespan of 70 years. Choices matter (for the fatties, sayeth perpetually failing at dieting "deltabound"...sigh)

Not sure the West is ready to hear that. Old people, at risk groups, shelter in place. Everyone else, pop a HCL, bring extra toilet paper (Montezuma's Revenge a common side effect) and get on with the business of life.

I think that's where the public will be in 3-6 weeks.

the driving analogy comes into play.

we accept 40,000 people will die each year with speed limits set where they are. We don’t demand 20 mph on highway even though it would be tremendously safer.

with this thing look at years of potential life lost vs say H1N1 that killed near 5000 kids under age 4, and 22000 age 5-24.... and we never mentioned closing daycares or schools.

we can be very selective in our panics

and fwiw I know a few 70+ year olds that are like f this, I’m going out.

Hank Kingsley 04-15-2020 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 3033012)
the driving analogy comes into play.

we accept 40,000 people will die each year with speed limits set where they are. We don’t demand 20 mph on highway even though it would be tremendously safer.

with this thing look at years of potential life lost vs say H1N1 that killed near 5000 kids under age 4, and 22000 age 5-24.... and we never mentioned closing daycares or schools.

we can be very selective in our panics

and fwiw I know a few 70+ year olds that are like f this, I’m going out.

Serious question, do you know anyone working in the health care profession treating these patients? I mean in the room with infected patients. I do, they're scared. And have never seen anything like this. First hand knowledge from a family member, a nurse. Sad thing, folks are dying in isolation, no family allowed. Your stats are like reading batting averages.

casual observer 04-15-2020 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley (Post 3033054)
Serious question, do you know anyone working in the health care profession treating these patients? I mean in the room with infected patients. I do, they're scared. And have never seen anything like this. First hand knowledge from a family member.

I lean towards your view. If this was like an ordinary flu or other illness, the Chinese and the Europeans wouldn't be doing such weird measures. I can't recall stories about cruise ships being stricken with multiple fatalities due to the flu. I would guess 10 to 20 times worse than a normal flu.


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