Lockdown and Civil Unrest Discussion
#781
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I think the biggest question is why, what was done to George, is SOP for the MSP police. Even when the paramedics arrived, who were called beforehand, didn't even seem shocked by what was happening, which leads me to believe it happens all the time.
#782
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That’s a great point. In my years as a paramedic we ran calls with some crappy cops,but never once did I see anything like that. It sounds like it’s a systemic issue in Minneapolis and not an isolated incident either.
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#783
https://ballotpedia.org/Mayoral_elec...innesota_(2017)
#784
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and yet what political party has controlled Minneapolis and most of Minnesota for the last 40+ years? And it isn’t like the Minneapolis police department’s failings weren’t part of the conversation in the last mayoral election.
https://ballotpedia.org/Mayoral_elec...innesota_(2017)
https://ballotpedia.org/Mayoral_elec...innesota_(2017)
you also ignore the mechanics of the city council, police unions, and the other built-in barriers to police reform, but I suppose it's just easier to yell that "DEMOCRATS R BAD!!!1!111!"
#785
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I did some research, and it actually IS procedure to do what those cops did. The family of Mr. Floyd should sue the city for no less than $500 million, to force real change.
#786
cant we just admit that what happened in Minneapolis is unacceptable without immediately reverting to the R vs D game? this is why nothing is bipartisan anymore. everyone's only out to point fingers, and it's sad
you also ignore the mechanics of the city council, police unions, and the other built-in barriers to police reform, but I suppose it's just easier to yell that "DEMOCRATS R BAD!!!1!111!"
you also ignore the mechanics of the city council, police unions, and the other built-in barriers to police reform, but I suppose it's just easier to yell that "DEMOCRATS R BAD!!!1!111!"
#787
Mark Twain
Almost exactly the same circumstances with no neck restraint...and the same result
https://q13fox.com/2020/06/03/manuel...-similar-fate/
There were four officers at the scene who handcuffed and restrained him. They said paramedics arrived minutes later. Ellis, however, died while handcuffed on the ground.
As The Tacoma News-Tribune first reported, the Pierce County Medical Examiner's Office noted intoxication from methamphetamine and an existing heart condition as contributing factors, but Ellis' death was ultimately ruled a homicide - respiratory arrest due to hypoxia caused by physical restraint.
On Day 6 of global protests against the death of George Floyd in Minnesota, Ellis' family is calling for justice. They've been open about Ellis' struggle with drugs, but argue that's no reason he had to die at the hands of police and leave behind two children.
"What they heard was a man on the radio saying, 'I can't breathe. I can't breathe,'" James Bible, the Ellis family's attorney, said. "He ended up dead, and that was at the hands of officers."
Investigators with the Pierce County Sheriff's Office, the agency tasked with conducting an independent investigation into Ellis' death, insist it was not like the death of Floyd. They said officers did not pin him down with a knee on his neck for minutes on end.
“There was no heads on knees. There was no cutting off of circulation, none of that," Troyer said. "He was handcuffed. He was talking. He was breathing. Then throughout the process, he had trouble breathing and he told people, 'I can’t breathe.' They put him on his side and called for medical aid.”
The four officers involved have since been placed on administrative leave. Two are white, one is black and one is Asian.
As The Tacoma News-Tribune first reported, the Pierce County Medical Examiner's Office noted intoxication from methamphetamine and an existing heart condition as contributing factors, but Ellis' death was ultimately ruled a homicide - respiratory arrest due to hypoxia caused by physical restraint.
On Day 6 of global protests against the death of George Floyd in Minnesota, Ellis' family is calling for justice. They've been open about Ellis' struggle with drugs, but argue that's no reason he had to die at the hands of police and leave behind two children.
"What they heard was a man on the radio saying, 'I can't breathe. I can't breathe,'" James Bible, the Ellis family's attorney, said. "He ended up dead, and that was at the hands of officers."
Investigators with the Pierce County Sheriff's Office, the agency tasked with conducting an independent investigation into Ellis' death, insist it was not like the death of Floyd. They said officers did not pin him down with a knee on his neck for minutes on end.
“There was no heads on knees. There was no cutting off of circulation, none of that," Troyer said. "He was handcuffed. He was talking. He was breathing. Then throughout the process, he had trouble breathing and he told people, 'I can’t breathe.' They put him on his side and called for medical aid.”
The four officers involved have since been placed on administrative leave. Two are white, one is black and one is Asian.
#788
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If someone wants to stick their fingers in their ears and scream back at me in a simpleton argument, then they only have to go back at look at the racial strife, incidents, etc during the previous administration for starters.
#789
You'd think that after all the force that had to be used on protesters near that church in DC, that someone would have noticed that Our Dear Leader was holding the Bible upside down. Well, no matter. The guy hasn't ever read a book in his life, let alone the Bible.
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