Man-made in a Wuhan lab?
#241
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I never said that.
#242
We been lied to…
There are many things we still do not know about the origins of this pandemic — including the central issue of whether it began with natural spillover from animals or some kind of laboratory incident. But we do know one thing now beyond debate: speculative “gain-of-function” experiments on mutant bat viruses were taking place in Wuhan laboratories.
This research, carried out in labs that did not have maximum level of biosafety, was increasing the infectivity of laboratory-created diseases by constructing chimeric coronaviruses — despite strong denial of such practices by the key Chinese scientists. And the bio-engineering was being funded by United States taxpayers — channelled through a charity run by a British scientist — despite similar denials from America’s most senior public health officials that they supported such science fiction activities in Chinese labs.
The details have been confirmed by the latest batch of documents emerging under US freedom of information rules — which unlike in Britain, actually assist attempts to break through walls of official obfuscation. The Intercept obtained 900 pages of documents detailing two research grants in 2014 and 2019 from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) to EcoHealth Alliance. This is the charity headed by Peter Daszak, the controversial Briton who led efforts to squash “conspiracy theories” about a possible lab incident after spending years hunting viruses with Shi Zhengli, the now-famous “Batwoman” expert at Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).
According to NIH “the term gain-of-function research describes a type of research that modifies a biological agent so that it confers new or enhanced activity to that agent”. Analysis of these papers show US funds supported construction of new chimeric Sars-related coronaviruses, which combined a spike gene from one with genetic material from another — and then showed the resulting creation could infect human cells and mice engineered to display human-type receptors on their cells.
This research, carried out in labs that did not have maximum level of biosafety, was increasing the infectivity of laboratory-created diseases by constructing chimeric coronaviruses — despite strong denial of such practices by the key Chinese scientists. And the bio-engineering was being funded by United States taxpayers — channelled through a charity run by a British scientist — despite similar denials from America’s most senior public health officials that they supported such science fiction activities in Chinese labs.
The details have been confirmed by the latest batch of documents emerging under US freedom of information rules — which unlike in Britain, actually assist attempts to break through walls of official obfuscation. The Intercept obtained 900 pages of documents detailing two research grants in 2014 and 2019 from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) to EcoHealth Alliance. This is the charity headed by Peter Daszak, the controversial Briton who led efforts to squash “conspiracy theories” about a possible lab incident after spending years hunting viruses with Shi Zhengli, the now-famous “Batwoman” expert at Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).
According to NIH “the term gain-of-function research describes a type of research that modifies a biological agent so that it confers new or enhanced activity to that agent”. Analysis of these papers show US funds supported construction of new chimeric Sars-related coronaviruses, which combined a spike gene from one with genetic material from another — and then showed the resulting creation could infect human cells and mice engineered to display human-type receptors on their cells.
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an excerpt:
CORONAVIRUS
China PCR test orders soared before first reported COVID case
Government contracts show surges in Wuhan-area purchases starting May 2019
PCR, or polymerase chain reaction, tests are used to detect the presence of a particular genetic sequence in a sample, and they have applications beyond COVID-19 testing. But the report alleges the unusual uptick likely signals awareness of a new disease spreading in and around Wuhan, the capital of Hubei Province.
Orders doubled from universities, jumped fivefold from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention and surged tenfold from animal testing bureaus. Purchases from hospitals declined by more than 10%.
Monthly procurement data shows a spike in orders in May, especially from CDC buyers and the People's Liberation Army.
"We believe the increased spending in May suggests this as the earliest start date for possible infection," the report said.
Purchases rose sharply from July through October as well, in particular from the Wuhan University of Science and Technology. The institution spent 8.92 million yuan on PCR tests in 2019, about eight times its total for the previous year.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Co...ted-COVID-case
CORONAVIRUS
China PCR test orders soared before first reported COVID case
Government contracts show surges in Wuhan-area purchases starting May 2019
PCR, or polymerase chain reaction, tests are used to detect the presence of a particular genetic sequence in a sample, and they have applications beyond COVID-19 testing. But the report alleges the unusual uptick likely signals awareness of a new disease spreading in and around Wuhan, the capital of Hubei Province.
Orders doubled from universities, jumped fivefold from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention and surged tenfold from animal testing bureaus. Purchases from hospitals declined by more than 10%.
Monthly procurement data shows a spike in orders in May, especially from CDC buyers and the People's Liberation Army.
"We believe the increased spending in May suggests this as the earliest start date for possible infection," the report said.
Purchases rose sharply from July through October as well, in particular from the Wuhan University of Science and Technology. The institution spent 8.92 million yuan on PCR tests in 2019, about eight times its total for the previous year.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Co...ted-COVID-case
#246
Doesn't provide any real insight into where it came from (other than China, but we knew that), just that the medial/science community was noticing a new bug in circulation.
#247
Me neither.
#248
An 8 fold increase in PCR use in one lab? And substantial increases in all those in close proximity? I’ll grant you it doesn’t PROVE anything, statistics never really do, but even applying non parametric statistics this certainly indicates SOMETHING was going on. Are you aware of any OTHER emerging bugs in Wuhan within a six month window before COVID?
Me neither.
Me neither.
Assumes that the PCR tests were ordered due to covid cases, and not say as a reaction to a bad flu season in 2018, or due to predictions of a future bad flu season.
#249
Exactly when covid started does not, in and of itself, indicate what it's source was. Might be a clue that can be tied to other data but just because covid was circulating a few months earlier than initially thought doesn't mean much. In fact it's not surprising.
Assumes that the PCR tests were ordered due to covid cases, and not say as a reaction to a bad flu season in 2018, or due to predictions of a future bad flu season.
Assumes that the PCR tests were ordered due to covid cases, and not say as a reaction to a bad flu season in 2018, or due to predictions of a future bad flu season.
#250
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