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Old 05-04-2020, 06:20 AM   #1  
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Default Man-made in a Wuhan lab?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jUbNsdiQe0I

I’m sure this will be tagged as a “conspiracy theory” video or whatever the cool
term is nowadays for labeling independent off the main narrative thinkers. Don’t even need to watch the video, all sources are in the comments.
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PRC is definitely responsible for mis-managing this, and hiding important info.

They may possibly have actually released it from the lab by accident. The lab DOES have an abvious legit reason to study Asian coronaviruses.

But nobody would try to make a coronavirus into a bio-weapon. Why? So you can take out yourself in the process? And if your own virus doesn't wipe you out, but you succeed in pulling off a mass bio-weapon attack on the US, you're going to get nuked... we don't have any rules precluding first use (not that such rules are worth the paper they're written on).

Anyway, rest assured if it was somehow bio-engineered, that will come out. Such engineering leaves traces (which is another reason not to make bio-weapon viruses which will get traced back to you).
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Once upon a time in a career far away I visited the Dugway Proving Grounds where the US once tested offensive biowarfare weapons and subsequently did defensive testing with (supposedly). non-pathogenic tracer species of organisms.

I say “supposedly” because some of the 1950s testing was with non-pathogenic organisms that, to paraphrase a recent President’s comment about shovel-ready jobs, ‘weren’t quite as non pathogenic as we thought they were.’

There is a reason Dugway Proving Grounds is sort of at the end of nowhere and in one of the least densely populated areas in the US and NOT in the middle of the largest and most populous city in the center of the country.

You don’t actually need to ascribe malice if simple incompetence will do.
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You don’t actually need to ascribe malice if simple incompetence will do.
Exactly, could it have accidentally escaped from the normal course of study? Potentially, but no evidence exists to support that theory.

Everyone on the blame China bandwagon seems to forget they are not the only ones who research dangerous pathogens and in fact many other labs have accidentally let things escape over the years. Heck, we even sent live anthrax samples on accident to unsuspecting labs...

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...s-labs-n365511

But to the OP's point:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...pons-research/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2012-7

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...418-9/fulltext

TL;DR version, all genetic research point to it not being man made.
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Once upon a time in a career far away I visited the Dugway Proving Grounds where the US once tested offensive biowarfare weapons and subsequently did defensive testing with (supposedly). non-pathogenic tracer species of organisms.

I say “supposedly” because some of the 1950s testing was with non-pathogenic organisms that, to paraphrase a recent President’s comment about shovel-ready jobs, ‘weren’t quite as non pathogenic as we thought they were.’

There is a reason Dugway Proving Grounds is sort of at the end of nowhere and in one of the least densely populated areas in the US and NOT in the middle of the largest and most populous city in the center of the country.

You don’t actually need to ascribe malice if simple incompetence will do.

IIRC, when I did an A-10 deployment to Wendover and flew over Dugway, we were instructed, in the event of a bailout, “don’t move from where you land, helo will lower a horse collar to be hoisted off the spot unless injured”. Scary brief.
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Exactly, could it have accidentally escaped from the normal course of study? Potentially, but no evidence exists to support that theory.

Everyone on the blame China bandwagon seems to forget they are not the only ones who research dangerous pathogens and in fact many other labs have accidentally let things escape over the years. Heck, we even sent live anthrax samples on accident to unsuspecting labs...

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...s-labs-n365511

But to the OP's point:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...pons-research/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2012-7

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...418-9/fulltext

TL;DR version, all genetic research point to it not being man made.
That's a cute little list of outright falsehoods you have right there.
I'll ship you some of your favorite sauce, cause those words you wrote are going to go down pretty rough.
I said it back in early March, I'll say it again now. Made in lab. Bioweapon (although we'll stop short of that term as it has geopolitical implications when uttered from the .gov). It was released, whether intentionally or accidentally.
Galaxy. Don't forget Edgewood Arsenal of the Aberdeen Proving ground and Ft Dietrich. 2 more places we've messed around with some pretty evil stuff.
As I said to OOOFFFFF back in March, patience, this will all unfold.
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That's a cute little list of outright falsehoods you have right there.
I'll ship you some of your favorite sauce, cause those words you wrote are going to go down pretty rough.
I said it back in early March, I'll say it again now. Made in lab. Bioweapon (although we'll stop short of that term as it has geopolitical implications when uttered from the .gov). It was released, whether intentionally or accidentally.
Galaxy. Don't forget Edgewood Arsenal of the Aberdeen Proving ground and Ft Dietrich. 2 more places we've messed around with some pretty evil stuff.
As I said to OOOFFFFF back in March, patience, this will all unfold.
Right on the money !
All 17 intelligence agencies agree with you
POTUS agrees with you
The US Secretary of State agrees with you
As a matter of fact the only people who disagree are those with Chinese financial and political interest and the rest are people who hate Trump and want him out of office. Not one democrat in Congress has spoken out against China on this. Only against Trump. And I am not trying to be political but that is a fact.
The real question will be how to avoid WW3. Trump and Pompeo have already stated that they will deal with China at a time and method of their choosing.
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That's a cute little list of outright falsehoods you have right there.
I'll ship you some of your favorite sauce, cause those words you wrote are going to go down pretty rough.
I said it back in early March, I'll say it again now. Made in lab. Bioweapon (although we'll stop short of that term as it has geopolitical implications when uttered from the .gov). It was released, whether intentionally or accidentally.
Galaxy. Don't forget Edgewood Arsenal of the Aberdeen Proving ground and Ft Dietrich. 2 more places we've messed around with some pretty evil stuff.
As I said to OOOFFFFF back in March, patience, this will all unfold.
You can say it all you want, but without evidence it's just...wait for it...a conspiracy theory.

Exactly what part of this can you and so many others not accept?

"Scientists from multiple countries have published and analysed genomes of the causative agent, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2),1and they overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife,2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 8, 9, 10as have so many other emerging pathogens.11, 12

Feel free to read the refute the references as well.
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Right on the money !
All 17 intelligence agencies agree with you
POTUS agrees with you
The US Secretary of State agrees with you
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Do you have any links (to reputable sources) that confirm the fact that this virus was manufactured in a lab, or that the people listed in your statement believe this?
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Right on the money !
All 17 intelligence agencies agree with you
POTUS agrees with you
The US Secretary of State agrees with you
As a matter of fact the only people who disagree are those with Chinese financial and political interest and the rest are people who hate Trump and want him out of office. Not one democrat in Congress has spoken out against China on this. Only against Trump. And I am not trying to be political but that is a fact.
The real question will be how to avoid WW3. Trump and Pompeo have already stated that they will deal with China at a time and method of their choosing.
“In an unusual public statement, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, or ODNI, also said that U.S. intelligence agencies concur with the broad scientific consensus that “the Covid-19 virus was not manmade or genetically modified.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj...ed-11588260228
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