We need a plan B for no vaccine.
09-03-2021, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
I misread this. I thought it said just a hundred more masks to wear (at one time).
…time to put the beer down and start reading more carefully.
…time to put the beer down and start reading more carefully.
09-03-2021, 04:50 PM
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Delta 1, Australia nil
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...ms-2021-09-01/
By Renju Jose and Jonathan Barrett
An excerpt:
Australia aims to 'live with virus' instead of eliminating it
By Renju Jose and Jonathan Barrett
While Australian authorities had been able to douse past outbreaks through lockdowns, the highly infectious Delta variant has forced the country's two biggest states to plan for a reopening even as infections rise.
Australian Medical Association vice president Chris Moy told Reuters that Delta's high infectivity, short incubation and asymptomatic spread had meant the "old playbook did not work".
"Your window of opportunity at the start to eliminate it is so much smaller and basically once you're passed that, Delta decides its destiny," Moy said.
Australian Medical Association vice president Chris Moy told Reuters that Delta's high infectivity, short incubation and asymptomatic spread had meant the "old playbook did not work".
"Your window of opportunity at the start to eliminate it is so much smaller and basically once you're passed that, Delta decides its destiny," Moy said.
09-03-2021, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
I misread this. I thought it said just a hundred more masks to wear (at one time).
…time to put the beer down and start reading more carefully.
…time to put the beer down and start reading more carefully.
09-04-2021, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Time to Stop Politicizing Ivermectin
India's Ivermectin Blackout
In Uttar Pradesh medical authorities are handing out Ivermectin to family members exposed to COVID but not yet symptomatic. In Kerala they stopped handing out Ivermectin August 5th and are pushing vaccination as the way to stop the Delta variant.
11-07-2021, 11:10 AM
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Decreasing the morbidity with the vaccines is great, but the duration of immunity to infection seems insufficient to actually interrupt spread. We need an off ramp to COVID restrictions that doesn’t depend on boosting everyone every 5-6 months or you can write off ever getting back to normal. And mandates won’t do it, even if you weren’t giving people two months to comply with a mandate that’ll only give 6 months of partial immunity.
Decreasing the morbidity with the vaccines is great, but the duration of immunity to infection seems insufficient to actually interrupt spread. We need an off ramp to COVID restrictions that doesn’t depend on boosting everyone every 5-6 months or you can write off ever getting back to normal. And mandates won’t do it, even if you weren’t giving people two months to comply with a mandate that’ll only give 6 months of partial immunity.
11-07-2021, 11:39 AM
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Actually, the “vaccine” boosters probably need to happen every 3 months for maximum efficacy.
This presumes that the “vaccines” work the same way every time they’re administered, forever.
Better treatments (Paxlovid, monoclonal antibodies, LOTS of cheap quick testing kits) look like a more sustainable way.
Or, you know. Government mandated boosters every 3 months if you want to keep your job.
This presumes that the “vaccines” work the same way every time they’re administered, forever.
Better treatments (Paxlovid, monoclonal antibodies, LOTS of cheap quick testing kits) look like a more sustainable way.
Or, you know. Government mandated boosters every 3 months if you want to keep your job.
11-07-2021, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
Actually, the “vaccine” boosters probably need to happen every 3 months for maximum efficacy.
This presumes that the “vaccines” work the same way every time they’re administered, forever.
Better treatments (Paxlovid, monoclonal antibodies, LOTS of cheap quick testing kits) look like a more sustainable way.
Or, you know. Government mandated boosters every 3 months if you want to keep your job.
This presumes that the “vaccines” work the same way every time they’re administered, forever.
Better treatments (Paxlovid, monoclonal antibodies, LOTS of cheap quick testing kits) look like a more sustainable way.
Or, you know. Government mandated boosters every 3 months if you want to keep your job.
Even a new strain that gets ahead of the boosters isn't a catastrophe, experience with other bugs has shown that you still get *some* efficacy from older vaccine versions, likely enough to minimize severe covid.
Worst case, it will be similar to the flu... and the shot will be optional for most people once all the dust settles. I don't think it will mutate as prolifically as the flu in the long run, for technical reasons.
11-07-2021, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Or develop a modified booster specific to delta (which they're doing). I'm almost certain that boosters can be designed which will give very high efficacy for at least 1-2 years.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4615573/
And current immunity to infection wanes awfully quickly. It’s down to 52% at 4 months.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2114114
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