Reasonable and effective treatment found
#1
Reasonable and effective treatment found
Used in countries with low fatalities. Taiwan. Etc. Inhaled steroid. Stops lung progression.
https://youtu.be/eDSDdwN2Xcg
https://youtu.be/eDSDdwN2Xcg
#2
Here’s some more evidence that this is actually real and it works.
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/inhale...n-of-covid-19/
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/inhale...n-of-covid-19/
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Dr. Richard Bartlett - KWED-TV - TEXAS
https://banned.video/watch?id=5f06524a672706002f481047
Dr. Richard Bartlett interviewed by KWED-TV in Odessa, TX. His treatment regiment is based on treatments done in other countries and has a 100% success rate in his practice: inhaled Budesonide treatment, antibiotic - chloramphenicol (Chloromycetin), zinc - stops virus replication. Hydroxychloroquine + Zinc also works but this Doctor's treatment might be better.
Dr. Richard Bartlett interviewed by KWED-TV in Odessa, TX. His treatment regiment is based on treatments done in other countries and has a 100% success rate in his practice: inhaled Budesonide treatment, antibiotic - chloramphenicol (Chloromycetin), zinc - stops virus replication. Hydroxychloroquine + Zinc also works but this Doctor's treatment might be better.
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Exactly how many patients has he treated?
Why is his affiliated hospital running as fast as they can away from his quackery?
Everyone knows the west Texas medical research hotbed of Odessa is where all of the latest, cutting edge treatments originate.
I saw it on a YouTube altRight channel, it's gotta be true. (edit: GAHHHH! Alex Jones. LOLz^2)
Why is his affiliated hospital running as fast as they can away from his quackery?
Everyone knows the west Texas medical research hotbed of Odessa is where all of the latest, cutting edge treatments originate.
I saw it on a YouTube altRight channel, it's gotta be true. (edit: GAHHHH! Alex Jones. LOLz^2)
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Exactly how many patients has he treated?
Why is his affiliated hospital running as fast as they can away from his quackery?
Everyone knows the west Texas medical research hotbed of Odessa is where all of the latest, cutting edge treatments originate.
I saw it on a YouTube altRight channel, it's gotta be true. (edit: GAHHHH! Alex Jones. LOLz^2)
Why is his affiliated hospital running as fast as they can away from his quackery?
Everyone knows the west Texas medical research hotbed of Odessa is where all of the latest, cutting edge treatments originate.
I saw it on a YouTube altRight channel, it's gotta be true. (edit: GAHHHH! Alex Jones. LOLz^2)
Critical thinking is the antidote to political agendas.
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In 2013 Professor Lance Dehaven-Smith in a peer-reviewed book published by the University of Texas Press showed that the term “conspiracy theory” was developed by the CIA as a means of undercutting critics of the Warren Commission’s report that President Kennedy was killed by Oswald.
#9
Here’s a summation paper that strongly backs what this doctor is promoting.
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/inhale...n-of-covid-19/
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/inhale...n-of-covid-19/
#10
One needn’t get so partisan about a response to this. Ultimately the science either WILL or WILL NOT hold up.
and there is at least some theoretical support for the idea. Early on, due to theoretical concerns over the effect of glucocorticoids in suppressing the immune response, the medical community debated taking asthmatics many of whom are on regular maintenance inhaled glucocorticoids off those medications. The initial quick look was that - no, those on inhaled corticosteroids did NOT seem to be at particularly higher risk despite their underlying comorbidity AND the use of the inhaled steroids - but rather under somewhat lower risk.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/
other scientific articles also indicate that the possible therapeutic use of inhaled corticosteroids is certainly in the medical mainstream:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7270536/
The issue is that both these articles were published about six weeks ago and it takes time for ideas to percolate and prospective studies to be set up and more time still for the data to accumulate to get the statistical power to sort out fact from fiction.
I personally doubt this is going to be any ‘silver bullet’ but it certainly does have the potential to be helpful IF THE STUDIES DEMONSTRATE THAT. But that’s going to take time to sort out.
But to dismiss this out of hand is every bit as ‘cultish’ as to accept it unquestioningly. We all have ideas we cling to (The Miata is NOT a sports car and the Packers are my favorite NFL team) but rooting for or against a scientific theory because of the assumed political beliefs of those promulgating it is as crazy as it gets.
and there is at least some theoretical support for the idea. Early on, due to theoretical concerns over the effect of glucocorticoids in suppressing the immune response, the medical community debated taking asthmatics many of whom are on regular maintenance inhaled glucocorticoids off those medications. The initial quick look was that - no, those on inhaled corticosteroids did NOT seem to be at particularly higher risk despite their underlying comorbidity AND the use of the inhaled steroids - but rather under somewhat lower risk.
Surprisingly, the prevalence of chronic respiratory disease among patients with SARS and COVID-19 appears to be lower than among the general population [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C6]6]. This is not the case for other chronic diseases and leads us to hypothesise that lung disease, patients’ behaviour or, more likely, their treatment may have some protective effect. Sadly, patients with underlying lung disease who develop COVID-19 and are hospitalised have worse outcomes, with a case fatality rate of 6.3% compared to 2.3% overall in China [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C7]7]. These individuals may have less reserve to cope with the pulmonary effects of severe infection or their immunopathological abnormalities may make them more susceptible to developing pulmonary inflammation and ARDS.
ICS, alone or in combination with bronchodilators, are used extensively in the treatment of asthma [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C8]8], and combined with bronchodilators have a role in the management of some patients with COPD [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C9]9]. There are a number of paradoxes about their effects on viral infections and exacerbation rates which are relevant when considering ICS use during the COVID-19 pandemic. ICS use in asthma and COPD is associated with an increased risk of upper respiratory tract infections [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C10]10, 11]. In people with COPD, ICS use is associated with a higher prevalence of pneumonia [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C12]12] and a change in the lung microbiome, although not a change in respiratory virus detection [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C13]13]. The evidence in asthma is less clear cut, but at least one observational study has shown an increased risk of pneumonia or lower respiratory infection [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C14]14]. In vitro studies have suggested that corticosteroids may impair antiviral innate immune responses [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C15]15, 16] and that ICS use leads to delayed virus clearance [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C17]17]. Other studies, however, have shown normal responses in patients on ICS [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C18]18]. It is important to note that most studies have been carried out with rhinovirus and there may be differences in the response to other viruses.
Conversely, there is evidence to suggest that taking ICS may be beneficial in dealing with virus infections, specifically those due to coronavirus. Pre-treatment of human respiratory epithelial cells in vitro with budesonide, in combination with glycopyrronium and formoterol, has inhibitory actions on coronavirus HCoV-229E replication and cytokine production [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C19]19]. Furthermore, early, not yet peer-reviewed data, suggest ciclesonide blocks SARS-CoV-2 RNA replication in vitro [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C20]20] and inhibits SARS-CoV-2 cytopathic activity [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C21]21], which may be of great relevance to reducing the risk of developing of COVID-19 in response to SARS-CoV-2 infection or reducing the severity of the disease.
ICS, alone or in combination with bronchodilators, are used extensively in the treatment of asthma [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C8]8], and combined with bronchodilators have a role in the management of some patients with COPD [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C9]9]. There are a number of paradoxes about their effects on viral infections and exacerbation rates which are relevant when considering ICS use during the COVID-19 pandemic. ICS use in asthma and COPD is associated with an increased risk of upper respiratory tract infections [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C10]10, 11]. In people with COPD, ICS use is associated with a higher prevalence of pneumonia [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C12]12] and a change in the lung microbiome, although not a change in respiratory virus detection [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C13]13]. The evidence in asthma is less clear cut, but at least one observational study has shown an increased risk of pneumonia or lower respiratory infection [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C14]14]. In vitro studies have suggested that corticosteroids may impair antiviral innate immune responses [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C15]15, 16] and that ICS use leads to delayed virus clearance [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C17]17]. Other studies, however, have shown normal responses in patients on ICS [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C18]18]. It is important to note that most studies have been carried out with rhinovirus and there may be differences in the response to other viruses.
Conversely, there is evidence to suggest that taking ICS may be beneficial in dealing with virus infections, specifically those due to coronavirus. Pre-treatment of human respiratory epithelial cells in vitro with budesonide, in combination with glycopyrronium and formoterol, has inhibitory actions on coronavirus HCoV-229E replication and cytokine production [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C19]19]. Furthermore, early, not yet peer-reviewed data, suggest ciclesonide blocks SARS-CoV-2 RNA replication in vitro [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C20]20] and inhibits SARS-CoV-2 cytopathic activity [[url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236828/#C21]21], which may be of great relevance to reducing the risk of developing of COVID-19 in response to SARS-CoV-2 infection or reducing the severity of the disease.
other scientific articles also indicate that the possible therapeutic use of inhaled corticosteroids is certainly in the medical mainstream:
A third possibility is that therapies used by patients with chronic respiratory diseases can reduce the risk of infection or of developing symptoms leading to diagnosis. It is important to note that, at most, only around half of patients with COPD in China take treatments that are standard in Europe and North America,6 but up to 75% of people in China with asthma use inhaled corticosteroids.7Furthermore, in in-vitro models, inhaled corticosteroids alone or in combination with bronchodilators have been shown to suppress coronavirus replication and cytokine production.8, 9Low-quality evidence also exists from a case series in Japan, in which improvement was seen in three patients with COVID-19 requiring oxygen, but not ventilatory support, after being given inhaled ciclesonide;10 however, no control group was used and it is not known whether these patients would have improved spontaneously. Yet, the possibility that inhaled corticosteroids might prevent (at least partly) the development of symptomatic infection or severe presentations of COVID-19 cannot be ignored. By contrast, a systematic review on the use of systemic corticosteroids to treat SARS, once established, showed no benefit but possible harm
The issue is that both these articles were published about six weeks ago and it takes time for ideas to percolate and prospective studies to be set up and more time still for the data to accumulate to get the statistical power to sort out fact from fiction.
I personally doubt this is going to be any ‘silver bullet’ but it certainly does have the potential to be helpful IF THE STUDIES DEMONSTRATE THAT. But that’s going to take time to sort out.
But to dismiss this out of hand is every bit as ‘cultish’ as to accept it unquestioningly. We all have ideas we cling to (The Miata is NOT a sports car and the Packers are my favorite NFL team) but rooting for or against a scientific theory because of the assumed political beliefs of those promulgating it is as crazy as it gets.
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