International Flying Isn't Returning Soon
 

US Passports are currently worthless.
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Who's still onboard the "let it ride" train?

It's all media hype.

Geeeze Wutface! I mean really?! You officially are rooting for the virus by this post!

No. I'm not. And you seem oddly obsessed with me. I'm getting a little weirded out by you.

The nay-sayers and the let-it-riders have faded into the shadows on this forum, and for good reason. This virus is not going away, it's getting worse, and we need proactive measures to restore the health and wealth of this nation.

All my posts are somehow trying to convince those who refuse to wear masks or socially distance that this is deadly serious. Our jobs are riding on how we come together and deal with it. Our loved ones' health is riding on it. It's time to take it seriously.

So Desdi, either ask me on a date, or stop calling me out.

How many weekly posts do we really need of this BS. Shhh... Americans banned by EU.... International travel not coming back....Yada Yada yada... Yes we know it... you love some misery, doom and gloom bulls@#$t! We get it, you and couple others have a hard on for posting this type of "news".

We are just obsessed with your stupidity. 😉 It takes a some kind of stupid to keep posting same thing over and over. Besides you and couple others, no one takes this forum crap seriously.

Denial hasn't gotten us anywhere. We need to confront the problem, and it will go away more quickly if people would just work together. Instead, mask wearing has become a controversial and politicized issue. We could have moved on from this by now

Why'd you put news in quotes? The validity of US passports seems quite relevant to the airline industry.
Yeah, it's doom and gloom. I'm not happy about it. But some of you would rather put your heads in the sand and pretend it's not happening. That's only making matters worse.

Sorry it's a big downer for you. But COVID ain't any going away anytime soon.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/10/who-...right-now.html

”WHO Director Says ‘It’s Very Unlikely’ Countries Can Eradicate Disease Now”

Defintely one item I have been losing my mind about for months. Lockdowns don’t eradicate the disease, it just puts it on hold for later. So this relates to the thread because soon, those Europeans will need to go back to normal to function. COVID is very contagious, it will spread again cause the lockdowns keep people vulnerable. Their cases go up, we point and laugh. It’s all good fun.

New York at its best settled into 800 new cases per day. But that’s still 800 confirmed cases every day, not counting the people who have it and have no idea since it’s statistically not dangerous for most. Even at the worst CFR estimate 95% are fine. This is all like keeping tissue paper over the exhaust of a Dodge Viper to keep the CO2 in. Almost 8 billion people on this rock. Not every one of them lives in a nice apartment with UberEats and can afford to video conference their dumb Marketing job from home. It’s gonna spread.

Lockdowns aren’t for eradication, it was for hospitals. Since we haven’t eradicated anything, and effectively been keeping people vulnerable. It’s gonna be one step forward and two steps back with every reopening. We can’t hide from this. Full lockdown or let it rip. These “model” countries will soon have their own upticks as they travel between, COVID is easily transmitted. We’ll have a good laugh back at them eventually.

And then the cycle will continue. Some new anti-viral will pump the market for a day, Biden will say an oopsie, Trump will accidentally re-tweet a hate crime, CDC information about how tens of millions have already had this will get swept under the rug by media, the airline industry will tumble and maybe once the house that our grandfathers died for finally crumbles, we’ll all look at each other and say... “oh oops, 99.6% of us would’ve be fine.”

We're pilots, not epidemiologists. But what I can say is that eradication never really happens. Even Polio wasn't 100% eradicated. But what you can do is get the clusters small enough that they can be isolated and smothered quickly.

So not being able to 100% eradicate a virus is not permission to do nothing. It's like complaining that because the embers of the wildfire you just extinguished don't get cold, you should stop spraying water.

And you seem to have forgotten the conversation we had earlier. We're stalling until the vaccine. Dr. Fauci has been reporting that several vaccine candidates are looking good for a late 2020 approval and an early 2021 rollout.

Wouldn't it be a shame if we did nothing, hundreds of thousands more died, and then a solid vaccine comes through 8 months later?

I think this is a fundamentally false dichotomy. Sweden, the often cited example of the let'er rip perspective, has fared no better in an economic or public health sense. Other countries have demonstrated that it's possible to practice social distancing and mask-wearing without catastrophic economic damage. Specifically, I'm thinking of Japan and South Korea, who both have unemployment rates at 3-5% while at the same time mitigating the spread of the virus. I know we are a different country with unique challenges, but I refuse to believe that America can't rise to the occasion. We are absolutely capable of this, but we lack the will due to the spread of misinformation, wide-spread skepticism of experts, and deeply entrenched political divisions.

Honestly, the biggest challenge is the complete lack of any sense of national solidarity. This is a collective problem that requires a collective effort, but right now our collective wants to tear itself apart.

No, probably not. We have a vaccine for influenza. Only about two-thirds of kids get it and barely More than half of Adults. Optimum use of the HPV vaccination could save 30,000 people from getting cancer a year, but immunization rates For the two shot series are less than 50%. In fact, MOST adult immunization rates for tetanus, diphtheria, or pertussis are just about 50%.

And we only do that well because immunizations are required for school and college entry and the military immunized for everything. But even in the military, where you could give an order backed up by an Article 15 or worse, it was a constant battle (no pun intended) to keep troops up on their immunizations, particularly the annual influenza,

People are people. Unless we draft everybody, the compliance is not going to be there - especially for young people at minimal personal risk.

I’d forgotten the annual loyalty test of the fly shot. I battled that for most of 18 years. I had Lt Cols “redlined” (refused drill pay) because they didn’t get the shot. Finally, got the nurses between the Crowe and the sign out sheet. And that didn’t always work.

People aren’t changing, they don’t perceive a danger and aren’t going along with the mask police. The whole self-quarantine idea is madness. We’ll get to 200,000 excess deaths soon enough

Maybe if we had let the virus steamroll through our country like in places such as England and Italy, we could be all high and mighty too while conveniently forgetting a month of incredible case and death numbers.

I know what you mean but I haven’t forgotten, I just didn’t include it in the post because I made it too long to begin with. But I go back and forth on it, also can we even hold out until 2021? Is that possible?

Also, I’d wager the opposite just for conversation sake.

Wouldn't it be a shame if we did all this, hundreds of millions of lives upended, and then a solid vaccine never comes through?

And now, we have remdesivir, dexamethosone, masks, possibly the tuberculosis vaccine to help. Why do we have to go on with the same lockdown we had in April? We don’t really have to make the wager anymore. I’d also argue that the amount of contact we all have by being forced into common stores like Walmart’s all summer and visiting family more often is no different than if we just go back to watching baseball games in stadiums. At least that way some folks won’t be up all night worrying about unemployment running out. Anywho, I’ve side tracked the thread. I don’t think the European countries will be so high and mighty soon enough.

So far, we have eradicated one (1) viral pandemic pathogen by vaccination. That was smallpox, for which we had an exceedingly cheap and effective attenuated virus vaccine good for at least ten years of immunity And partial immunity out to 25 years after inoculation.

That eradication took 180 years, and was completed in 1980.

Mass immunization programs, even in the era before anti-vaxxers, aren’t cheap, they aren’t easy, and they aren’t quick.

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We don’t want to but GA is setting up a field hospital in the World Congress Center again. Last time we didn’t need I don’t think we get that lucky again. Houston is admitting adult patients to children’s hospitals. Those medicines are great but even if you survive you clog a hospital bed for a week to two weeks. As to your stadium comment Italy’s outbreak took off because of a champions league match. Also I highly doubt Europe gets nearly as bad as they were as countries reapply restrictions as needed. Look this virus sucks I just does. That said just ignoring it isn’t gonna work. So I say we work on controlling it.

wait, the WHO was instrumental in eradicating small pox? I thought they were just a propaganda arm of the Chinese

(not directed at you)

Naw. The Communist Chinese hadn’t been AROUND for that 180 years, only the last 30 or so of it. More to the point, the USSR wasn’t either but it was around for about 60 years of that time, and even when Cold War enemies combined forces and resources to go after smallpox (which had a case fatality rate of about 35%, that is 35%, over one in three, not the 3.6% that WHO was originally touting for coronavirus or the 0.4% that it appears to actually have) and yet it STILL TOOK 180 years despite a near universal consensus that smallpox had to go and an attenuated virus vaccine that was cheap and effective and basically grew itself.

(And that IS directed at you, and all the others who have not addressed the issue of how difficult a mass immunization program is just logistically, Even without the active resistance of the anti-vaxxers which we certainly will face thanks to that never to be sufficiently damned and now retracted Lancet article, even assuming we eventually DO get an effective COVID -19 vaccine)

Right but the world has a plan B suppression. The EU is doing ok. It buys time for treatments denies the virus more host to mutate in and keeps the hospital open. That said we lacked discipline to watch tv for six weeks. I actually had someone tell me the other day mask were communist. I was speechless. Look imho with this spike reservations will soften again and everyone will furlough. We should have taken the heavier pain in March. To use a medical analogy the EU did a knee replacement and it hurt bad. The US used some ice and rest and now it hurts worse and the pain will be spread out.

cargo, you’re saying it took a massive multinational campaign to eradicate smallpox? I agree

I’m saying that throwing sand in the gears of an international health organization is counterproductive, particularly during a massive pandemic

The WHO hasn’t been real helpful without the sane in the gears, they might improve knowing their cushy NYC jobs will no longer be financed by the US Treasury.

You are not going to convince people with your style of rhetoric, you need to learn the fine art of persuasion.... not constantly trying to shove your opinion down people’s throats. You don’t post as you do and expect constructive discussion! I’m free Monday night!

1. Good advice. I'll try to do better.
2. Haha! That's the spirit!

Peace then ✌️