Vaccine Development Summary
08-17-2021, 03:32 PM
#1011
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
Especially if the vaccine, you know, fails. Israel is the canary in the coal mine.
https://www.precisionvaccinations.co...ases-exceed-50
They have already given third booster shots to a few hundred thousand and those are breaking through too.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/is...booster-shots/
https://www.precisionvaccinations.co...ases-exceed-50
They have already given third booster shots to a few hundred thousand and those are breaking through too.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/is...booster-shots/
08-17-2021, 03:39 PM
#1012
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Those breakthrough numbers are totally useless out of context. If the vast majority of Israelis are vaccinated (they are) than naturally a large % of total cases will be breakthrough. Seriously, think through the math.
As the WSJ verified independently and published today, breakthrough cases are uncommon and they are less severe.
As the WSJ verified independently and published today, breakthrough cases are uncommon and they are less severe.
08-19-2021, 07:41 AM
#1013
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
The math is there are now more hospitalized in Israel in August 2021 than there were in August 2020. And 60% of those are vaccinated. Not exactly "out of context."
78% fully vaccinated. That's a large majority (12 and over, young kids are not vaccinated nor do they usually get severe covid so we'll ignore them).
59% of hospitalizations occur in the 78% vaccinated.
So 41% of hospitalizations occur in the 22% not vaccinated.
Normalized hospitalization rates...
Vaccinated: 0.76
Un-vaccinated: 1.86
Of the 59% vaccinated hospitalizations, 87% of those were 60 or older.
Again, unknown whether the uptick is due to waning efficacy, delta, or both. Worth pointing out that IL started wholesale vaccination very early, so they might be experiencing antibody drop-off effects before the rest of us. Of course they started with their old folks.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021...t-defeat-delta
08-19-2021, 07:54 AM
#1014
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
78% fully vaccinated. That's a large majority (12 and over, young kids are not vaccinated nor do they usually get severe covid so we'll ignore them).
59% of hospitalizations occur in the 78% vaccinated.
So 41% of hospitalizations occur in the 22% not vaccinated.
Normalized hospitalization rates...
Vaccinated: 0.76
Un-vaccinated: 1.86
Of the 59% vaccinated hospitalizations, 87% of those were 60 or older.
Again, unknown whether the uptick is due to waning efficacy, delta, or both. Worth pointing out that IL started wholesale vaccination very early, so they might be experiencing antibody drop-off effects before the rest of us. Of course they started with their old folks.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021...t-defeat-delta
59% of hospitalizations occur in the 78% vaccinated.
So 41% of hospitalizations occur in the 22% not vaccinated.
Normalized hospitalization rates...
Vaccinated: 0.76
Un-vaccinated: 1.86
Of the 59% vaccinated hospitalizations, 87% of those were 60 or older.
Again, unknown whether the uptick is due to waning efficacy, delta, or both. Worth pointing out that IL started wholesale vaccination very early, so they might be experiencing antibody drop-off effects before the rest of us. Of course they started with their old folks.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021...t-defeat-delta
08-19-2021, 08:09 AM
#1015
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
Now, if they would only publish the hospitalization rate of unvaccinated but previously infected and recovered…
IMO it would be prudent to conduct trials on previously-infected people to observe their immunity efficacy and duration... as well as gain data on individual variability which is probably higher than for vaccine induced immunity.With some clinical data they could reasonably grant natural immunity the same privileges as vaccine-induced immunity.
But until they do that, vaccines have the edge because bureaucrats have hard data to hang their hats on.
08-20-2021, 06:38 AM
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More data from Israel (useful because of high vaccination rates, early vaccination, and centralized healthcare system which is able to consistently acquire and track the data).
Serious breakthrough cases mainly in older, unhealthy patients...
"The vaccinated patients are older, unhealthy, often they were bedridden before infection, immobile and already requiring nursing care," said Noa Eliakim-Raz, head of the coronavirus ward at Rabin Medical Centre in Petach Tikva.
In contrast, "the unvaccinated COVID patients we see are young, healthy, working people and their condition deteriorates rapidly," she said. "Suddenly they're being put on oxygen or on a respirator."
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...er-2021-08-20/
Serious breakthrough cases mainly in older, unhealthy patients...
"The vaccinated patients are older, unhealthy, often they were bedridden before infection, immobile and already requiring nursing care," said Noa Eliakim-Raz, head of the coronavirus ward at Rabin Medical Centre in Petach Tikva.
In contrast, "the unvaccinated COVID patients we see are young, healthy, working people and their condition deteriorates rapidly," she said. "Suddenly they're being put on oxygen or on a respirator."
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...er-2021-08-20/
08-20-2021, 06:42 AM
#1017
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Anecdotal data point related to rickair's post above:
As of yesterday, my state has had 83 total breakthrough deaths, which represents 0.003% of fully vaccinated individuals.
The average age of those 83 breakthrough deaths is 80 years old, which is notable because the average lifespan in my state is 77 years old.
As of yesterday, my state has had 83 total breakthrough deaths, which represents 0.003% of fully vaccinated individuals.
The average age of those 83 breakthrough deaths is 80 years old, which is notable because the average lifespan in my state is 77 years old.
08-21-2021, 12:53 AM
#1018
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
Anecdotal data point related to rickair's post above:
As of yesterday, my state has had 83 total breakthrough deaths, which represents 0.003% of fully vaccinated individuals.
The average age of those 83 breakthrough deaths is 80 years old, which is notable because the average lifespan in my state is 77 years old.
As of yesterday, my state has had 83 total breakthrough deaths, which represents 0.003% of fully vaccinated individuals.
The average age of those 83 breakthrough deaths is 80 years old, which is notable because the average lifespan in my state is 77 years old.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...ugh-cases.html
As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance.
Last edited by SIUav8er; 08-21-2021 at 01:08 AM.
08-23-2021, 06:25 AM
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