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Old 06-10-2021, 05:02 PM
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Unusually high rate of acute inflammatory heart condition observed in young men following mRNA vaccination. Israel observed this, and the US VAERS appears to confirm. Occurs shortly after vaccination, most recovered fully.

At first glance, appears to fall within the tolerable range of adverse vaccine reactions, ie not likely a certification problem.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/cdc...19-2021-06-10/
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Old 06-10-2021, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Unusually high rate of acute inflammatory heart condition observed in young men following mRNA vaccination. Israel observed this, and the US VAERS appears to confirm. Occurs shortly after vaccination, most recovered fully.

At first glance, appears to fall within the tolerable range of adverse vaccine reactions, ie not likely a certification problem.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/cdc...19-2021-06-10/
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced Thursday that it will convene an "emergency meeting" of its advisers on June 18th to discuss rare but higher-than-expected reports of heart inflammation following doses of the mRNA-based Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-1...lammation-cdc/
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Old 06-12-2021, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Unusually high rate of acute inflammatory heart condition observed in young men following mRNA vaccination. Israel observed this, and the US VAERS appears to confirm. Occurs shortly after vaccination, most recovered fully.

At first glance, appears to fall within the tolerable range of adverse vaccine reactions, ie not likely a certification problem.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/cdc...19-2021-06-10/
It's the spike protein doing that, same as with Covid, and not related to the vaccine tech. The spike protein is what is dangerous about the virus, it causes dis-regulation of the immune system, resulting in cellular damage. The vaccine is the same as getting a minor case of Covid.

People who have had Covid should probably not be taking the vaccine.
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Old 06-12-2021, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
It's the spike protein doing that, same as with Covid, and not related to the vaccine tech. The spike protein is what is dangerous about the virus, it causes dis-regulation of the immune system, resulting in cellular damage. The vaccine is the same as getting a minor case of Covid.

People who have had Covid should probably not be taking the vaccine.
There's indication that the virus spike protein itself may cause some of the bad effects associated with getting covid.

https://www.salk.edu/news-release/th...le-in-illness/

But the vaccines utilize a different protein that mimics part of the spike, without actually being the spike. There was never any assumption that the spike was harmless... because it can break and enter into your cells!

Adverse reactions are more likely caused by an auto-immune response... that's why they're so rare that it took months to even notice the data signal in the background noise.


The story even made the weekly "Fake News" list...

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden...1087ba0b1071b1
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Why would the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 be any more problematic than the spike protein of the four human coronaviruses that cause the common cold?
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
There's indication that the virus spike protein itself may cause some of the bad effects associated with getting covid.

https://www.salk.edu/news-release/th...le-in-illness/

But the vaccines utilize a different protein that mimics part of the spike, without actually being the spike. There was never any assumption that the spike was harmless... because it can break and enter into your cells!

Adverse reactions are more likely caused by an auto-immune response... that's why they're so rare that it took months to even notice the data signal in the background noise.


The story even made the weekly "Fake News" list...

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden...1087ba0b1071b1
It's actually the full length spike protein, codon optimized in prefusion form. I can literally post the long sequence here if you want it. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32839784/

The AP is trash, and their fact checking is fake news. There were four ModRNA vaccine variants, the one that uses parts of the RBD was NOT selected. Only the NovaVax doesn't use the full spike protein.
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Highly technical, but there are some interesting elements that most readers will be able to pull out. Could be of use to those on the fence about getting the vaccine.

https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/23
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Old 06-13-2021, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by habubauza View Post
Highly technical, but there are some interesting elements that most readers will be able to pull out. Could be of use to those on the fence about getting the vaccine.

https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/23
The authors are a computer scientist and a naturopathic oncologist. Not exactly the first people I'd turn to for an analysis of complex biochemistry.
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The authors are a computer scientist and a naturopathic oncologist. Not exactly the first people I'd turn to for an analysis of complex biochemistry.
Says the pilot giving vaccine advice - sorry Rick, I love ya but I couldn't resist!
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Old 06-14-2021, 07:11 AM
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Another potential option for those concerned about leading edge technology: Novavax, which uses well established recombinant protein technology: US trials 90% effective in the US against currently prevalent variants, 100% effective against severe covid. Also easy logistics at Fridge temps.


https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...al-2021-06-14/
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