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08-24-2020, 09:33 AM
#101
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Originally Posted by firefighterplt
Wanted to share an experience with you all, just so we can all see how governments are peeing on the airlines and telling them it’s raining.
I live in NY and have a rental property and an airplane on lease in the same southern ‘hot’ state. I periodically go inspect the rental and the airplane (and test fly the airplane, of course haha) COVID levels are marginally above the NY minimum for quarantine. Both aviation and housing are essential businesses under NY law, thus making me an essential worker.
I drove myself, alone, in my personal vehicle. I stayed in a hotel room, Vice crashing on a buddy’s couch, in order to minimize contact with anyone. Checked the place, checked the plane, flew it. Lived like a monk, like a health conscious citizen. Came back after two days.
I decided to be good and follow the rules, and I filled out the department of health questionnaire upon my return.
I was contacted by the DOH, explained the situation, explained I had no close contact with anyone, etc. Explained I was on business travel while operating an essential business.
14 day quarantine. I can go to work, but otherwise I must abide by the quarantine rules.
I posed the question: what if I had to travel for my business every two weeks—would I then essentially be quarantined indefinitely?
The answer was yes. The clock would reset every time I traveled to a ‘hot’ state, no matter what the reason.
Don't expect business travel out of NY to bounce back any time soon with Lord Cuomo drafting up draconian regulations like these, boys and girls.
I live in NY and have a rental property and an airplane on lease in the same southern ‘hot’ state. I periodically go inspect the rental and the airplane (and test fly the airplane, of course haha) COVID levels are marginally above the NY minimum for quarantine. Both aviation and housing are essential businesses under NY law, thus making me an essential worker.
I drove myself, alone, in my personal vehicle. I stayed in a hotel room, Vice crashing on a buddy’s couch, in order to minimize contact with anyone. Checked the place, checked the plane, flew it. Lived like a monk, like a health conscious citizen. Came back after two days.
I decided to be good and follow the rules, and I filled out the department of health questionnaire upon my return.
I was contacted by the DOH, explained the situation, explained I had no close contact with anyone, etc. Explained I was on business travel while operating an essential business.
14 day quarantine. I can go to work, but otherwise I must abide by the quarantine rules.
I posed the question: what if I had to travel for my business every two weeks—would I then essentially be quarantined indefinitely?
The answer was yes. The clock would reset every time I traveled to a ‘hot’ state, no matter what the reason.
Don't expect business travel out of NY to bounce back any time soon with Lord Cuomo drafting up draconian regulations like these, boys and girls.
08-24-2020, 09:55 AM
#102
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
Sounds like imprisonment without due process.
08-24-2020, 11:25 AM
#103
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Originally Posted by firefighterplt
Wanted to share an experience with you all, just so we can all see how governments are peeing on the airlines and telling them it’s raining.
I live in NY and have a rental property and an airplane on lease in the same southern ‘hot’ state. I periodically go inspect the rental and the airplane (and test fly the airplane, of course haha) COVID levels are marginally above the NY minimum for quarantine. Both aviation and housing are essential businesses under NY law, thus making me an essential worker.
I drove myself, alone, in my personal vehicle. I stayed in a hotel room, Vice crashing on a buddy’s couch, in order to minimize contact with anyone. Checked the place, checked the plane, flew it. Lived like a monk, like a health conscious citizen. Came back after two days.
I decided to be good and follow the rules, and I filled out the department of health questionnaire upon my return.
I was contacted by the DOH, explained the situation, explained I had no close contact with anyone, etc. Explained I was on business travel while operating an essential business.
14 day quarantine. I can go to work, but otherwise I must abide by the quarantine rules.
I posed the question: what if I had to travel for my business every two weeks—would I then essentially be quarantined indefinitely?
The answer was yes. The clock would reset every time I traveled to a ‘hot’ state, no matter what the reason.
Don't expect business travel out of NY to bounce back any time soon with Lord Cuomo drafting up draconian regulations like these, boys and girls.
I live in NY and have a rental property and an airplane on lease in the same southern ‘hot’ state. I periodically go inspect the rental and the airplane (and test fly the airplane, of course haha) COVID levels are marginally above the NY minimum for quarantine. Both aviation and housing are essential businesses under NY law, thus making me an essential worker.
I drove myself, alone, in my personal vehicle. I stayed in a hotel room, Vice crashing on a buddy’s couch, in order to minimize contact with anyone. Checked the place, checked the plane, flew it. Lived like a monk, like a health conscious citizen. Came back after two days.
I decided to be good and follow the rules, and I filled out the department of health questionnaire upon my return.
I was contacted by the DOH, explained the situation, explained I had no close contact with anyone, etc. Explained I was on business travel while operating an essential business.
14 day quarantine. I can go to work, but otherwise I must abide by the quarantine rules.
I posed the question: what if I had to travel for my business every two weeks—would I then essentially be quarantined indefinitely?
The answer was yes. The clock would reset every time I traveled to a ‘hot’ state, no matter what the reason.
Don't expect business travel out of NY to bounce back any time soon with Lord Cuomo drafting up draconian regulations like these, boys and girls.
Some states seem to be on somewhat of a commonsense track based on facts that are known and proven, others…just shoot from the hip and let the dust settle where it may. A sweeping Federal regulation for the COVID pandemic might work, but then again, who is to say it might not be just as draconian or lacking in common sense as some state’s regulations are and then it is applied across the country. No good answer seems to be the only answer. Can there really even be a one size shoe fits all policy and associated regulations?
Here is what currently affects my ability to travel (official or personal): DoD nixed all forms of official travel for even site inspections/deploys back in April. If I want to take any personal travel (any mode and over 250 miles) I have to put my request in writing and get it approved from the upper chain-of-command. If it meets any of the guideline restrictions they have on their list (never have been shown it or know what it consists of), I am HIGHLY discouraged to take my travel (you can picture what that consists of) and advised I will be placed in 14 day quarantine at a minimum at home if I do try to travel. Just another example of rules and regs and interpretations. I bet that would just go over like another plague if that was incorporated nationwide. lol
08-25-2020, 07:40 AM
#104
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Originally Posted by Duffman
Doubtful. Everything that could possibly be moved overseas has already been moved overseas. Despite what bean counters learn in business school, services and R&D, which is our economy, are best kept stateside. Just ask Boeing. This probably means that more people can live further from city centers and show up to work a couple times a week for a 'vector check.' Businesses save on office space and workers can accept further commutes. I think WFH offices will become an integral part of residential real estate in the very near future because the expectation will become that if you have an office job, you show up a couple times a week for key meeting then do the rest of the work at home. In the long term I'm sure this will be a good thing for domestic air travel.
The offshore workers are not culturally or personally connected with the main business units in the US. The best they can do is read from a script, and the nature of remote guidance/management will essentially ensure divergence from the best interests of the company as a whole, as the remote unit will react in unpredictable and defensive ways to feedback from HQ.
I enjoyed some success as a business manager (I ran several specialty niche operations, with nuances which the main office was challenged to fully understand). I did that by making sure that I did what was in the boss's and the organization's best interest, not necessarily what he told me to do the first time. Frequent personal meetings helped to smooth that road over when needed. If I had been doing it virtually I probably would have just had to salute, shut up, and color. I would have still had a job probably, but not the bonuses which ultimately paid for my flight training.
If the boss is remote, he will probably end up viewed as an outside enemy... we all know what happened to King George in 1776.
10-13-2020, 09:08 AM
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https://www.flightglobal.com/network...140575.article
As some of us speculated, DAL sees a silver lining to telework... more biz travel as teleworkers relocate to small towns, and therefore potential increases in regional travel.
That could have the same effect on recreational travel, as people who used to have access to direct flights from their hub-of-residence will now need a connection.
As some of us speculated, DAL sees a silver lining to telework... more biz travel as teleworkers relocate to small towns, and therefore potential increases in regional travel.
That could have the same effect on recreational travel, as people who used to have access to direct flights from their hub-of-residence will now need a connection.
10-13-2020, 11:45 AM
#107
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
https://www.flightglobal.com/network...140575.article
As some of us speculated, DAL sees a silver lining to telework... more biz travel as teleworkers relocate to small towns, and therefore potential increases in regional travel.
That could have the same effect on recreational travel, as people who used to have access to direct flights from their hub-of-residence will now need a connection.
As some of us speculated, DAL sees a silver lining to telework... more biz travel as teleworkers relocate to small towns, and therefore potential increases in regional travel.
That could have the same effect on recreational travel, as people who used to have access to direct flights from their hub-of-residence will now need a connection.
Neeleman couldn’t have timed this much better.
10-23-2020, 09:15 AM
#108
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Microsoft thinks biz travel will return. They are even buying SAF to offset their carbon footprint...
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/22/micr...te-pledge.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/22/micr...te-pledge.html
10-23-2020, 09:17 AM
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