GeeWizDriver

Who cares? What's the difference? If you're a drone pilot consumed by social media hype, mass media lies, and political grandstanding, then you have a distorted view of what is going on in the real world.

Those of us who actually travel the length and breadth of the country, talk to van drivers, eat in restaurants, walk through airports, read local newspapers, compare notes with fellow crewmembers, or interact with passengers have a FAR better idea of what is really going on in the world than a keyboard commando like you in his underwear hiding in his momma's basement

Bozo the pilot

You believe in the Easter Bunny too dont you? Try not living on a rubber world and enjoy your mask and layoff.

kaputt

This whole thread proves that internet trolling is truly a mental disorder.

Intrdmnslalien

Serious question for those consumed by only the death toll from the virus, how many lives will the economic fallout destroy? Do you have a point where you recognize the damage done by the lockdown as worse than what is caused by the virus?

For me personally, I think we've crossed the threshold where even though the virus is real, the problems caused by shutting down are the bigger issue. To be fair I've felt this way for a while, but I understood shutting down until a plan could be devised to open up without destroying the economy or killing grandma.

Gathering data and evaluating your options is important, but right now it seems like people are operating on emotions over logic.

kingairfun

CDC's head hocho Robert Redford testified (Friday) that State reporting and hospital (revenue) may be overestimating deaths by up to 25%..

There is also a CDC report that discusses how non-surgical (cloth) masks have no concernable benefit. Normal surgical masks basic use in hospitals is to prevent introduction of germs into open wounds of patients and to prevent blood "drops" (or splatters etc) from entering Dr./nurses nose and mouth (or eyes in the instance of face shields).

Robert Redford also discussed the dramatic toll lockdowns and restrictions are having on the suicide rates (astronomical) and drug overdoses among high schoolers. Most States (or counties) are already well beyond their 2019 suicide numbers. Unfortunately the "data" may take 2 yrs to fully be vetted.

My belief is this will go down as the most grossly over hyped response in American history. The lockdowns, restrictions, self policing, mask mandates, business closures, resulting financial losses/suicides... once studied (years from now and after all is well) will be determined to be self induced panic by MSM for political gains.

kingairfun

In Hawaii, we've had 26 deaths ( probably half are suspect)... Hospitals are wide open, absolutely no issues..

Yet we are pulling back. It's as if our "leaders" cannot accept the fact they f@cked up, and want to save face by continuing the fear propaganda. How could they not? "oh we're sorry, we ruined your lives, your businesses etc. But our bad, we didn't get anywhere near what we though in terms of deaths and hospitalizations" It would be political suicide to admit they were off the mark...

CX500T

Having grown up on poverty's doorstep, and having many friends and family then and now below the poverty line, poverty, be it by poor choices, or being tied to an area when all the jobs go overseas, or whatever, has a cost all it's own.

Lower life expectancy. Partially from poor nutrition/lifestyle. Yeah, very, very little of the population is really "starving" in America, but a large portion of people subsist on things that aren't really food, because it's cheap or it's all they know. Partially from poor health care. My brother is 43, I think he has three teeth left that aren't rotted. Eats crap. Sad but true, he will likely have a lower life expectancy unless something from my military and oil field days catches up to me.

Higher suicide and drug OD rates. Some people will kill themselves and OD even if they are stupid wealthy due to personal demons or underlying addiction/medical issues. (see Robin Williams, Michael Jackson, and a host of other rich, famous and DEAD). But over 1/4 of my HS class (1996) is DEAD. Most of them from ODs.

I've been poor. I've been homeless. Twice. Sadly, I know I will live but likely never retire if this goes stupid for too long. But I've seen guys who have only ever known comfy upper middle class be totally unable to deal with now being poor, or homeless, and then one day they are gone.

Ronaldo

Not trying to wade into this mess but as someone who flies all over the world I can say most countries locked down sooner, longer and more completely than we did. That’s what’s going on in the world. They are reopening because they social distanced and wore masks while dumbass Americans said the virus was a hoax or flu is more deadly... Now we have more cases than anyone, will have way more deaths per capita and people will whine that we should just let it blaze.

When you fly over HKG or ICN or Europe it’s still a ghost town. Every day we delay doing the right things as a country is another two weeks of fail.

Ronaldo

[QUOTE=Phins2right;3103710]The death numbers are corrupted. I've been saying this since March. The reason they are corrupted: 1) they count deaths with china flu (or merely "suspected" with no proof required) not distinctly from it (like other countries) the reason being is 2) there is a financial reward for doing so. See that here:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...navirus-deaths

Our total deaths mean nothing, a worthless, corrupted number.[/QUOTE

It is roughly 20% too low according to the CDC, several academic institutions, and JAMA. That’s even counting all the errors included.

NE_Pilot

[QUOTE=Ronaldo;3104374]How do they conclude that? One would think it would be headline news if it were found that hospitals and coroners were attributing COVID-19 deaths to something else. Where are these undercounts occurring? Which states have the most undercounts?

Considering the criteria, and financial incentive, to be included as a COVID-19 death, it seems highly unlikely there would be an undercount.