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Old 08-15-2020, 08:36 AM
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Interesting. When claiming religious exemption did you need to provide details or explain yourself?
Seriously? If you can “self-identify” as a different gender, you think somebody is going to be able to ask you for a note from your priest or rabbi to prove you are religious?

Doesn’t make not taking good vaccines a good idea though. And as for “I’ve never gotten the flu,” everybody who HAS ever gotten the flu was able to claim that at one time, yet in the end all of us DID get it.

On a more immediate note, there is increasing evidence that tweaking the immune response with almost ANY vaccine decreases your risk of getting and/or severity of if you do get infected with COVID-19, probably through one of the nonspecific antiviral immune mechanisms like interferon.


https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...ad-of-covid-19

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...mortality.aspx

https://asm.org/Press-Releases/2020/...e-Worst-Sympto

An excerpt:
“Live attenuated vaccines seemingly have some nonspecific benefits as well as immunity to the target pathogen. A clinical trial with MMR in high-risk populations may provide a low-risk-high-reward preventive measure in saving lives during the COVID-19 pandemic,” said Dr. Fidel. “While we are conducting the clinical trials, I don’t think it’s going to hurt anybody to have an MMR vaccine that would protect against the measles, mumps, and rubella with this potential added benefit of helping against COVID-19.”

Mounting evidence demonstrates that live attenuated vaccines provide nonspecific protection against lethal infections unrelated to the target pathogen of the vaccine by inducing trained nonspecific innate immune cells for improved host responses against subsequent infections. Live attenuated vaccines induce nonspecific effects representing “trained innate immunity” by training leukocyte (immune system cells) precursors in the bone marrow to function more effectively against broader infectious insults.

Now is NOT the time to ‘get religion’ against established vaccines with a good track record.
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Old 08-15-2020, 08:55 AM
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When I was in the ARMY I resisted the flu vaccine. I took all the required ones for the deployments but since I had never had the flu and didn't want to introduce it into my body I managed do dodge the docs and avoid the flu vaccine. I was threatened with discipline but when push came to shove they did nothing.

I have still never had the flu. I have only thrown up three times in my life (two of those due to alcohol). I am certain I was exposed to the Corona virus in Feb/Mar due to people around me who were displaying every symptom, but never had more than a sore throat for a day. My immune system is up to the task.

I am not anti vaccine but fight to avoid the ones that are not particularly effective due to various strains of the disease being in play. The flu vaccine is always the best guess as to which strain to treat for in a given year. My children have had the important ones but we claim a religious exemption for flu with our school system. My kids have never had the flue either.
Curious how you got out of Anthrax. IIRC there was a big suit that came out of Dover on that one.
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Old 08-15-2020, 11:05 AM
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I don't get too bent out of shape about people skipping the flu vaccine - especially kids. On a personal level, I'm happy to get the shot every year. Our company provides it for free, and I've never had any adverse reaction from getting it. My biggest concern about the flu vaccine is its effectiveness - some years the "recipe" isn't very good and provides only a limited amount of protection.

BTW, the SICKEST I've ever been as an adult was when I was 27 years old and got the flu. It was a week of abject misery. I've always hated shots, but I would have rolled up both sleeves to avoid that experience. It took a long time to get over it as well, almost four weeks of feeling very lethargic.

If there is an effective vaccine for Covid, I expect airlines may require it as a condition to come back to work. I also think you'll be required to show proof of immunization (or immunity) for international travel. I just hope that the vaccine is good enough that we don't have to get stuck two or three times a year.
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Old 08-15-2020, 11:08 AM
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Curious how you got out of Anthrax. IIRC there was a big suit that came out of Dover on that one.
I couldn't get out of those and when deploying to hot spots I wanted certain ones. I am not against targeted vaccines that work I just don't like the shotgun approach taken with regard to the flu vaccine.
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Originally Posted by DashAviator View Post
I don't get too bent out of shape about people skipping the flu vaccine - especially kids. On a personal level, I'm happy to get the shot every year. Our company provides it for free, and I've never had any adverse reaction from getting it. My biggest concern about the flu vaccine is its effectiveness - some years the "recipe" isn't very good and provides only a limited amount of protection.

BTW, the SICKEST I've ever been as an adult was when I was 27 years old and got the flu. It was a week of abject misery. I've always hated shots, but I would have rolled up both sleeves to avoid that experience. It took a long time to get over it as well, almost four weeks of feeling very lethargic.

If there is an effective vaccine for Covid, I expect airlines may require it as a condition to come back to work. I also think you'll be required to show proof of immunization (or immunity) for international travel. I just hope that the vaccine is good enough that we don't have to get stuck two or three times a year.
I was 27 when I got the flu for the first time, never got vaccinated before, now I always get the vaccine. Woke up a little under the weather for my day 4 deadhead to base, thought I was going to die on the train ride home. Sickest I’ve ever been.
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Old 08-15-2020, 12:28 PM
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Not great, but still prevented a lot of illness:

Based on data from 4112 children and adults, vaccine effectiveness was estimated to be 37% against influenza A and 50% against influenza B viruses. Influenza B was the predominant strain in December, but as of mid-February there was a sharp rise in influenza A cases.

“Interim VE [vaccine effectiveness] estimates are consistent with those from previous seasons, ranging from 40%–60% when influenza vaccines were antigenically matched to circulating viruses,” the authors of the article wrote.

In the study, influenza positive participants had a vaccination rate of 37%, compared with a 55% vaccination rate among influenza negative participants. This points to an association between vaccination and reduction of influenza risk.

“I think it gets lost in the narrative that while the flu shot prevents a percentage of infections, and some people will go and develop the flu anyway, even if they do, there's some evidence that it's attenuated, and that the complications from having the flu including death are lessened even if someone develops flu after they've gotten a shot,” Jason Gallagher, PharmD, FCCP, FIDSA, BCPS, clinical professor at Temple University College of Pharmacy and editor-in-chief of Contagion® said in an interview.
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Not great, but still prevented a lot of illness:

Yeah that last paragraph is big too. The vaccine also helped keep them largely out of hospitals and morgues.
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot View Post
I couldn't get out of those and when deploying to hot spots I wanted certain ones. I am not against targeted vaccines that work I just don't like the shotgun approach taken with regard to the flu vaccine.
You might have noted the anthrax vaccinations were “off license” and never tested as effective for the weaponized anthrax.
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Old 08-16-2020, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
Not great, but still prevented a lot of illness:
Flu shot effectiveness is complicated, and at this point is not really a good parallel for a potential covid vaccine.

In addition to the innate efficacy of a specific flu vaccine, the other big factor is the seasonal guessing game as to WHICH vaccines to include in the current seasonal cocktail. Even guessing right only maximizes protection for the population of vaccine recipients, it still does not guarantee that every recipient will be vaccinated against the flu strain(s) they might get exposed to.

There's no reason to suspect that covid will behave like the flu, which exists in a perpetual seasonal mutation loop as it bounces between pigs, chickens, and peasants. Obviously covid can infect some animals, but there's no indication it will run amuck in livestock populations. It's ability to mutate will probably be severely curtailed once it gets mostly knocked down in the human population... mutation opportunity is related to the number of viral replications which occur, and the number of individual hosts.

With the flu shot, the best way to maximize effectiveness IMO is to get it every year. That way you have, in addition to this year's cocktail, you have at least some residual immunity to the most prevalent strains going back some number of years. I haven't had the flu in decades, and I suspect that's because the .mil gave me a shot every single year whether I wanted one or not. I've had the flu when I was younger but never after about five years in the mil.
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Old 08-16-2020, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot View Post
When I was in the ARMY I resisted the flu vaccine. I took all the required ones for the deployments but since I had never had the flu and didn't want to introduce it into my body I managed do dodge the docs and avoid the flu vaccine. I was threatened with discipline but when push came to shove they did nothing.

I have still never had the flu. I have only thrown up three times in my life (two of those due to alcohol). I am certain I was exposed to the Corona virus in Feb/Mar due to people around me who were displaying every symptom, but never had more than a sore throat for a day. My immune system is up to the task.

I am not anti vaccine but fight to avoid the ones that are not particularly effective due to various strains of the disease being in play. The flu vaccine is always the best guess as to which strain to treat for in a given year. My children have had the important ones but we claim a religious exemption for flu with our school system. My kids have never had the flue either.
Thank you for your Service.

Statistically speaking the reason you and your children have never contracted influenza is because enough others do receive the vaccine. If everyone made the same choice you did the flu would be a much larger problem. The same goes for polio, tetanus, Hepatitis B, Hepatitis A, rubella, Hib, Measles, Pertussis, Pneumococcal Disease, Rotavirus, Mumps, Chickenpox, and Diphtheria just to name a few.

The reason some have never heard of some of the above diseases is precisely because of vaccines.

​​​​​​​Vaccines are their own worst enemy.
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