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AirBear 08-27-2020 08:25 AM

Abbott's $5 Rapid AntiGen Test FDA Approved
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...ation-n1238409

Size of a credit card, no additional gear needed. Uses less invasive nasal swab.

nuball5 08-27-2020 08:53 AM

Could you theoretically put these at every airport around the country? Show the gate agent the test result on your phone during boarding? Probably too many hoops to jump through, but sounds like a good idea in my head.

firefighterplt 08-27-2020 09:27 AM

I wonder what the sensitivity/specificity numbers are.

rickair7777 08-27-2020 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by firefighterplt (Post 3117321)
I wonder what the sensitivity/specificity numbers are.

Yeah that's the potential issue... false positives.

Those are OK in a clinical setting where you just use a better test to confirm a positive, but a high false positive rate would be bad at the gate.

BobZ 08-27-2020 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3117502)
Yeah that's the potential issue... false positives.

Those are OK in a clinical setting where you just use a better test to confirm a positive, but a high false positive rate would be bad at the gate.

Thought news reported around 95% accurate

senecacaptain 08-27-2020 02:02 PM

it appears this must be doing "via your healthcare provider" and is not an at-home test.

So how does this concept work in actual real world reality.

Is the traveling public expected to buy these and get an appointment at their doctor to get tested? How long are the results good for? If I was negative COVID today can I travel next week?

etc

nuball5 08-27-2020 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by senecacaptain (Post 3117519)
it appears this must be doing "via your healthcare provider" and is not an at-home test.

So how does this concept work in actual real world reality.

Is the traveling public expected to buy these and get an appointment at their doctor to get tested? How long are the results good for? If I was negative COVID today can I travel next week?

etc

XpresSpa is rolling it out the Abbott test in JFK and EWR next month, with more airports to come later. So maybe that’s a preview for what’s in store. I’m sure all the airlines are working behind the scenes to coordinate this test and other tests that’ll soon get FDA approval. We’ll see I guess.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/seeking...irport-testing

rickair7777 08-27-2020 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 3117517)
Thought news reported around 95% accurate

95% accurate in what way?

5% false negative is probably just fine in this context, since there will be very, very few true positives to begin with, so 5% of a very small number slipping through is not going be a catastrophe (especially with enhanced sanitation and social distancing).

5% false positive is a bit much. People will not be happy if they buy a ticket and then get turned away because the TSA says they have covid when they don't. 10,000 pax/day = 500 sent home erroneously.

You'd need a pretty high specificity to not alienate your customers.

BobZ 08-27-2020 03:16 PM

Hard to tell from news report what the % is referencing.

But as I was told when tested with existing process....'we have many false negatives with this test. So you can have it and still get a negative result."

This new test will have to be field tested with actual people to develop the legitimate base of effectiveness i suppose.

Duffman 08-27-2020 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nuball5 (Post 3117304)
Could you theoretically put these at every airport around the country? Show the gate agent the test result on your phone during boarding? Probably too many hoops to jump through, but sounds like a good idea in my head.

I don't see how this is any more of a hoop than regular security and couldn't be incorporated in the normal screening. TSA is already $5 one way, so adding another $5-$10 and a few more minutes to security is completely acceptable, considering we're moving a fraction of people we used to. I guess if you pop positive you take the test again, considering statistically one or two people would get inaccurate results on each flight. This could really help us.

rickair7777 08-27-2020 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duffman (Post 3117601)
I don't see how this is any more of a hoop than regular security and couldn't be incorporated in the normal screening. TSA is already $5 one way, so adding another $5-$10 and a few more minutes to security is completely acceptable, considering we're moving a fraction of people we used to. I guess if you pop positive you take the test again, considering statistically one or two people would get inaccurate results on each flight. This could really help us.

All makes sense.

They might need a second, more specific and possibly more expensive and time-consuming test to filter false positives

Trappy 08-27-2020 04:37 PM

Good to have inexpensive, rapid tests.

Downtime 08-31-2020 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 3117517)
Thought news reported around 95% accurate


Of you have a five percent Faldo positive rate then that’s 7 people a 737 that get denied boarding.

TransWorld 09-01-2020 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trappy (Post 3117612)
Good to have inexpensive, rapid tests.

Sure would be. I doubt the news reporters understand the difference between 5% false positives and 5% false negatives.

When an airport rolls it out, I suspect there will be a medical shop set up with a more accurate test. Might delay someone until the next flight.

COVIDiot 09-05-2020 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3117550)
95% accurate in what way?

5% false negative is probably just fine in this context, since there will be very, very few true positives to begin with, so 5% of a very small number slipping through is not going be a catastrophe (especially with enhanced sanitation and social distancing).

5% false positive is a bit much. People will not be happy if they buy a ticket and then get turned away because the TSA says they have covid when they don't. 10,000 pax/day = 500 sent home erroneously.

You'd need a pretty high specificity to not alienate your customers.

This is 100% a bad take. You want to scrap a program that potentially intercepts 19 positives because there's a chance it might flag 1 person in error? Those 19 that are intercepted are kept off the plane which prevents spread not only on the plane, but also at their destinations.

In addition, a rapid COVID test on boarding would be an immediate confidence boost and would bring the flying public back.

I'm always surprised that someone can be so consistently wrong so often.

CincoDeMayo 09-06-2020 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by COVIDiot (Post 3122796)
This is 100% a bad take. You want to scrap a program that potentially intercepts 19 positives because there's a chance it might flag 1 person in error? Those 19 that are intercepted are kept off the plane which prevents spread not only on the plane, but also at their destinations.

In addition, a rapid COVID test on boarding would be an immediate confidence boost and would bring the flying public back.

I'm always surprised that someone can be so consistently wrong so often.

Exactly. Do you think the airlines care about upsetting people with masks and their “personal freedoms?” Nope, they need confidence back. And if a small percentage of people get denied boarding because of a false positive airport test, while catching the many true positives, that’s a win for the airlines. Confidence is the path to recovery; have we not learned this with airlines now adapting a “we don’t care why you can’t wear a mask, no mask, no flight, or we ban you”. This is brought to you by the same airlines who would let a miniature horse and a peacock have sex and then crap all over the plane, fearing a lawsuit from the ADA if they said something.

Times have changed.

kingairfun 09-06-2020 12:30 PM

I don't think the Federal Gov't, State gov't, the TSA or airlines can force anyone to take a test... It can be an option, and for States like HI with quarantine rules, it can be an option of take a quick test and be negative (go have fun) or don't and possibly quarantine.

ugleeual 09-06-2020 12:51 PM

Hawaii’s going to be launch state for a new anal swab test... Governor to demo.

TransWorld 09-07-2020 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 3123184)
Hawaii’s going to be launch state for a new anal swab test... Governor to demo.

I think it is a very long, flexible, throat swab, inserted rectally.


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