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10-03-2020, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by TrojanCMH
Someone please explain to me, why did they try unanimous consent when Dem’s control the House and could just as easily passed this bill on a roll call vote like they did the $2.2T CARES 2 bill on Thursday?
10-03-2020, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
Someone please explain to me, why did they try unanimous consent when Dem’s control the House and could just as easily passed this bill on a roll call vote like they did the $2.2T CARES 2 bill on Thursday?
10-03-2020, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
Someone please explain to me, why did they try unanimous consent when Dem’s control the House and could just as easily passed this bill on a roll call vote like they did the $2.2T CARES 2 bill on Thursday?
10-03-2020, 09:47 AM
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Rand Paul blasts Senate GOP as new 'Bernie bros' for the large cost of latest COVID package
“They’re talking about spending another trillion dollars. It’s fiscally irresponsible and they should be ashamed of themselves,” the Kentucky Republican told reporters.
“This is insane, they are ruining the country,” he added.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...e-bros-large-/
10-03-2020, 10:00 AM
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10-03-2020, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
Republicans in Senate also wanted to do UC for Wicker Collins and it was held up. There’s fingers to point everywhere right now.
I would understand that in the senate, as they need 60 votes to block a filibuster. But the rules in the house are 50%+1. The Dems don’t need unanimous consent to pass anything in the house. So if the Dems really wanted to show the Repubs don’t want it, they can roll call vote it in the house and easily pass it since they have a 30 vote majority and send it to the senate for the Repubs to kill it.
Did Wicker or Collins actually stand up in the senate and ask for unanimous consent on a clean airline bailout bill like in the house?
10-03-2020, 01:41 PM
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The airline relief is in the Heroes Act that has passed. https://appropriations.house.gov/new...ted-heroes-act
Its politics. They're not going to pass line items one by one to the Senate because it kills negotiating power. Theres already 558 bills that have been passed by the House and are dead in the Senate as of today.
Also, there's this:
https://www.rollcall.com/2020/10/02/...event-layoffs/
The House had already passed the Heroes Act and the Senate won't vote on it. So now that the deadline has come and gone, the unanimous consent would send that one line item to the Senate, but now there has to be time for debates and hearings on the bill.
Its politics. They're not going to pass line items one by one to the Senate because it kills negotiating power. Theres already 558 bills that have been passed by the House and are dead in the Senate as of today.
Also, there's this:
https://www.rollcall.com/2020/10/02/...event-layoffs/
DeFazio tried to obtain unanimous consent to pass his bill before the House adjourned Friday. Kendra Horn, D-Okla., who was presiding, rejected the request on standard procedural grounds for not getting the request cleared in advance by party leaders on both sides.
DeFazio blamed GOP leaders for that outcome. "In plain English, what you just said is that the Republican majority killed this legislation,” he said.
A House GOP aide said rather than pass an earlier bipartisan airline aid bill, Democrats introduced a new partisan measure with no offsets and sent it to Republicans during the final vote series of the day. Republicans objected to the unanimous consent request because they are still awaiting a Congressional Budget Office score and further details of the legislation, the aide said.
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The House passed a $2.2 trillion aid package Thursday night on a 214-207, party-line vote that included DeFazio’s airline fix, including $28 billion to fund a six-month extension of the Payroll Support Program. Of that figure, $25 billion would be for passenger carriers.
The White House proposed $20 billion in their offer to Pelosi, which Chief of Staff Mark Meadows said would be enough to last six months.
DeFazio blamed GOP leaders for that outcome. "In plain English, what you just said is that the Republican majority killed this legislation,” he said.
A House GOP aide said rather than pass an earlier bipartisan airline aid bill, Democrats introduced a new partisan measure with no offsets and sent it to Republicans during the final vote series of the day. Republicans objected to the unanimous consent request because they are still awaiting a Congressional Budget Office score and further details of the legislation, the aide said.
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The House passed a $2.2 trillion aid package Thursday night on a 214-207, party-line vote that included DeFazio’s airline fix, including $28 billion to fund a six-month extension of the Payroll Support Program. Of that figure, $25 billion would be for passenger carriers.
The White House proposed $20 billion in their offer to Pelosi, which Chief of Staff Mark Meadows said would be enough to last six months.
10-03-2020, 04:38 PM
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In a split congress, the house passing bills which have no hope of passage in the senate is routine political theater.
In fact, if the house, the senate, and the president were the same party, the house would be a lot more circumspect about what they pass... because it might actually get signed into law.
Right now the house can pass some ludicrous stuff to fire up the base, without actually having to worry about it becoming reality.
In fact, if the house, the senate, and the president were the same party, the house would be a lot more circumspect about what they pass... because it might actually get signed into law.
Right now the house can pass some ludicrous stuff to fire up the base, without actually having to worry about it becoming reality.
10-03-2020, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
In a split congress, the house passing bills which have no hope of passage in the senate is routine political theater.
In fact, if the house, the senate, and the president were the same party, the house would be a lot more circumspect about what they pass... because it might actually get signed into law.
Right now the house can pass some ludicrous stuff to fire up the base, without actually having to worry about it becoming reality.
In fact, if the house, the senate, and the president were the same party, the house would be a lot more circumspect about what they pass... because it might actually get signed into law.
Right now the house can pass some ludicrous stuff to fire up the base, without actually having to worry about it becoming reality.
10-03-2020, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by atooraya
The airline relief is in the Heroes Act that has passed. https://appropriations.house.gov/new...ted-heroes-act
Its politics. They're not going to pass line items one by one to the Senate because it kills negotiating power. Theres already 558 bills that have been passed by the House and are dead in the Senate as of today.
Also, there's this:
https://www.rollcall.com/2020/10/02/...event-layoffs/
The House had already passed the Heroes Act and the Senate won't vote on it. So now that the deadline has come and gone, the unanimous consent would send that one line item to the Senate, but now there has to be time for debates and hearings on the bill.
Its politics. They're not going to pass line items one by one to the Senate because it kills negotiating power. Theres already 558 bills that have been passed by the House and are dead in the Senate as of today.
Also, there's this:
https://www.rollcall.com/2020/10/02/...event-layoffs/
The House had already passed the Heroes Act and the Senate won't vote on it. So now that the deadline has come and gone, the unanimous consent would send that one line item to the Senate, but now there has to be time for debates and hearings on the bill.
Yes, it’s politics, that was my point. The house could’ve passed a clean airline bailout bill in enough time to have hearings and debate, just like they did with CARES 2. And it’s not like they couldn’t just ram it through like the ACA. Remember, you have to pass it in order to find out what’s in it? The airline bailout is supported by the president, the senate, and the house. But there is always one side that wants to use it for leverage to add other spending.
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