Nature Article on the Effectiveness of Masks
10-11-2020, 06:09 AM
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Ironically (or reasonably?) masks are no longer required in China outdoors:
https://www.wionews.com/world/after-...-spaces-322235
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...800-8/fulltext
https://www.wionews.com/world/after-...-spaces-322235
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...800-8/fulltext
10-11-2020, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by AntiPeter
Ironically (or reasonably?) masks are no longer required in China outdoors:
https://www.wionews.com/world/after-...-spaces-322235
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...800-8/fulltext
https://www.wionews.com/world/after-...-spaces-322235
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...800-8/fulltext
That’s what happens when public health measures get politicized I guess.
10-11-2020, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by wrxpilot
Yes, most of the world has common sense. Only in America do people apparently wear masks outside in the middle of nowhere, but have a meltdown about wearing them in airplane cabins and indoor public spaces.
That’s what happens when public health measures get politicized I guess.
That’s what happens when public health measures get politicized I guess.
10-11-2020, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by BrazilBusDriver
https://www.nature.com/articles/d415...ign=pockethits
Nature article on masks. Emerging scientific consensus seems to be that they help, but it is still a question of how much and also that they are not a panacea, in part since it’s hard to separate out the effect of masks from other actions that are often taken at the same time (such as lockdowns, reduced capacity in restaurants/bars, and increased social distancing) in the observational studies.
Figured it might add to the conversation around here since the group positions across relevant posts seem to mirror US national politics and be either “they’re worthless” or “they’re the only thing that can save us”. The article is a “pop sci” summary but all the assertions have links to relevant studies.
Nature article on masks. Emerging scientific consensus seems to be that they help, but it is still a question of how much and also that they are not a panacea, in part since it’s hard to separate out the effect of masks from other actions that are often taken at the same time (such as lockdowns, reduced capacity in restaurants/bars, and increased social distancing) in the observational studies.
Figured it might add to the conversation around here since the group positions across relevant posts seem to mirror US national politics and be either “they’re worthless” or “they’re the only thing that can save us”. The article is a “pop sci” summary but all the assertions have links to relevant studies.
10-11-2020, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
Ladies and Gentlemen, Welcome to Covid Theater!
Restaurants in the era of Covid:
1. Arrive at restaurant and fish your three-month-old, single-use surgical mask out of the car's filthy cupholder (still slightly sticky from this morning's 84oz diet Pepsi).
2. Strap up with three-month old single-use surgical mask.
*MAGICAL ANTI-GERM BARRIER ENGAGE!!!*
3. Proceed into restaurant, opening door with same handle grabbed by 200 people so far today.
4. Hostess has immediate seating for your woke party-of-three. Walk past entire restaurant of unmasked people. It's OK, they're sitting.
5. Sit down.
*SEATED ANTI-GERM FORCEFIELD ENGAGE!!!*
6. Safely within your anti-germ forcefield, remove mask. Browse menu while making relaxed inhales of the same recirculated AC air previously inside the lungs of the 200 people that also grabbed the door handle.
7. Waitress drops off drinks bare handed.
8. Grab drink with your bare hand. Sip leisurely, secure in knowing you're within your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness.
9. Too many drinks. Need to pee. Don the magical anti-germ barrier mask as you leave your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness.
10. Walk past 40 unmasked restaurant patrons. Open bathroom with same door knob grabbed by 100 other people so far today.
11. Return to table past same 40 unmasked restaurant patrons.
12. Remove mask. Once again safe in your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness. Waitress takes your sweaty drink glass with her bare hand, refills, hands back to you. You accept with your bare hand. Grab some bread and eat it. Same hand. Yum Yum.
13. Meal complete. Mask on. Walk past 40 unmasked patrons. Make full body contact with at least 4 people waiting at the hostess stand as you squeeze your way back to the door - no matter, they're all also wearing their magical anti-germ barriers.
14. Grab exit handle, which you are now the 220th person of the day to touch. Eating out successful.
15. Breathe a sigh of relief knowing that even after leaving the protection of your home and venturing out into the scary world of the public, you are essentially sterile thanks to your state approved methods of magical germ mitigation.
Shamelessly stolen from another source but when reality is funnier than anything on SNL, there is a problem. Youtube search also for "Nassau County Tennis Balls."
Restaurants in the era of Covid:
1. Arrive at restaurant and fish your three-month-old, single-use surgical mask out of the car's filthy cupholder (still slightly sticky from this morning's 84oz diet Pepsi).
2. Strap up with three-month old single-use surgical mask.
*MAGICAL ANTI-GERM BARRIER ENGAGE!!!*
3. Proceed into restaurant, opening door with same handle grabbed by 200 people so far today.
4. Hostess has immediate seating for your woke party-of-three. Walk past entire restaurant of unmasked people. It's OK, they're sitting.
5. Sit down.
*SEATED ANTI-GERM FORCEFIELD ENGAGE!!!*
6. Safely within your anti-germ forcefield, remove mask. Browse menu while making relaxed inhales of the same recirculated AC air previously inside the lungs of the 200 people that also grabbed the door handle.
7. Waitress drops off drinks bare handed.
8. Grab drink with your bare hand. Sip leisurely, secure in knowing you're within your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness.
9. Too many drinks. Need to pee. Don the magical anti-germ barrier mask as you leave your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness.
10. Walk past 40 unmasked restaurant patrons. Open bathroom with same door knob grabbed by 100 other people so far today.
11. Return to table past same 40 unmasked restaurant patrons.
12. Remove mask. Once again safe in your anti-germ forcefield of seatedness. Waitress takes your sweaty drink glass with her bare hand, refills, hands back to you. You accept with your bare hand. Grab some bread and eat it. Same hand. Yum Yum.
13. Meal complete. Mask on. Walk past 40 unmasked patrons. Make full body contact with at least 4 people waiting at the hostess stand as you squeeze your way back to the door - no matter, they're all also wearing their magical anti-germ barriers.
14. Grab exit handle, which you are now the 220th person of the day to touch. Eating out successful.
15. Breathe a sigh of relief knowing that even after leaving the protection of your home and venturing out into the scary world of the public, you are essentially sterile thanks to your state approved methods of magical germ mitigation.
Shamelessly stolen from another source but when reality is funnier than anything on SNL, there is a problem. Youtube search also for "Nassau County Tennis Balls."
10-11-2020, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
So don’t go to restaurants.
And anyone that is wearing a 3 month old mask and insists on dining in restaurants, you don’t get the luxury to say how masks are useless. All about risk mitigation, contrary to what some want to believe. What to eat out, increase
your exposure. Wear a filthy mask, increase your exposure to things in addition to Covid.
And yes, wearing a mask to a restroom might help when you hack up a lung as a smoker, on the way to the restroom or outside to burn a heater. Maybe a mask will just help prevent the amount of nasty you hack up around people.
Don’t want increase exposure chance...don’t go to a restaurant
Want your “freedom” to not wear a mask...stay home and cook.
10-11-2020, 12:53 PM
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This guy proves masks work, IF you can’t stand back, but wearing a mask outdoors is stupid.
https://digg.com/video/man-demonstra...sks-with-torch
https://digg.com/video/man-demonstra...sks-with-torch
10-11-2020, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
So don’t go to restaurants.
.....But don't forget to riot.
10-11-2020, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
My problem with articles like this, is that there isn't any objective science in it, it's just a political rant by the author.
I guess I’m not seeing the politics. There’s no sweeping rants about “if we’d just wear masks rona would magically go away” or “government overreach; my body my choice”. Which part of the editorial roll up do you take issue with?
10-11-2020, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BrazilBusDriver
Sure it’s not each specific journal article, but if you think they got the science wrong you can follow the links, look at how their studies were set up, and peruse the results. And presentation of the findings is pretty nuanced, unlike anything you’d see on, say Fox or MSNBC.
I guess I’m not seeing the politics. There’s no sweeping rants about “if we’d just wear masks rona would magically go away” or “government overreach; my body my choice”. Which part of the editorial roll up do you take issue with?
I guess I’m not seeing the politics. There’s no sweeping rants about “if we’d just wear masks rona would magically go away” or “government overreach; my body my choice”. Which part of the editorial roll up do you take issue with?
The studies are also cherry picked, and following the links, the papers do not reach anywhere near the conclusions of the author's opinion piece.
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