Xtreme87

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...R_xKSADlTN0xuc


If what we know now about this virus being completely benign to children, why the push to test it on them? Are we really going to vaccinate kids to protect some overweight and sick person from catching it thus risking the life of the child? Pretty sick if you ask me.

AntiPeter

The latest CDC estimate for iFR in those under 20 years old is 1 in 33,000 infected, or a survival rate of 99.997%.

I can’t not imagine how someone can advocate vaccination of children, financially and ethically it seems an inhumane waste.

The risks from the vaccine are likely much more significant in this age group.

rickair7777

Flu vaccine by contrast actually appears at face value to have more utility for the kids than a covid vaccine, since the flu actually kills young people.

But there are some young people who have risk factors, so it would likely be appropriate to certify and administer a vaccine for those who are young but actually have a more significant risk of severe or fatal covid.

Also kids spread diseases. People who care for and teach kids, as well as family members at home are more likely to be at risk than the kids themselves. Vaccinating kids can help make a big dent in overall covid spread. Otherwise you might end up with a perpetual covid resevior is schools, day care, etc.

Don't be surprised if covid vaccination is mandatory to attend school... teachers unions are 800-pound political gorillas in many states, and most teachers (according to the ones I know) are firmly in the hysterical camp on covid... they are probably not going to tolerate being placed at risk and they have the political horsepower in many places to get their way. In my state they are already lobbying to ban the anti-vaxx kids.

There is an ethical dilemma here... good of the individual vs. good of the collective. Probably have to wait and see how safe the vaccine(s) is in young people and compare that to covid risk (as actually determined by legit peer-reviewed research and data analysis) before you can make a judgement...

If the vaccine has equal or less risk than covid, no dilemma.

If the vaccine is more risky for individual children than their risk from covid, then you have to start considering the individual vs. societal issue.

No way to know yet, need to wait for legit data.

Xtreme87

This ^

Thanks for making the point for me. It’s absolutely egregious if they go ahead with mandating this vaccine for children. No grand parent would advocate risking the life and health of their grandchild to help protect their own life.

chucknorris

You’d have a point if the vaccine efficacy is very high. If it’s not then children will still pose large risks to more vulnerable sects of the population. As it stands children are not even in the cards for the vaccine, they are at the back of the line and hopefully it’s not necessary to inoculate them.

Xtreme87

Either way, it’s a parent’s choice if they want to risk their child’s life, health, or future fertility.

chucknorris

Fertility? What are you even talking about? Considering it is a trial, I’m guessing every one of these parents are volunteering their children. We aren’t pulling them out of the concentration camps to experiment on them. So far there are very little safety concerns with these vaccines. I know you like to spread misinformation on this board and the bluejet board, but at least put a source to fertility concerns.

Do you still think the placebo killed the Brazilian doctor?

2StgTurbine

There needs to be a conspiracy theory section on APC. People can go there to share facebook articles and well thought out rants on topics such as flat earth, 9/11 being an inside job, QAnon, and Southwest buying A320s.

Xtreme87

You know there weren’t any safety concerns with Asbestos for a long time either right? Talcum powder? Cigarettes, and so on. You so realize these things take years or even decades to manifest. Usually after a lot of covering up done at the hands of these corporations. Are you really that naive? 😳 Just wow.

I wasn’t talking about the trials, I was talking about making it mandatory when or IF this vaccine hits the market.

https://slate.com/technology/2020/10...CvZAmVNKY57o5Q“What happened when you called them?

They asked all kinds of questions. Am I overweight? And if I am, how much? How much do I exercise? Do I smoke? Do I drink? How much? What’s my life like? What do I eat? Do I stay healthy? And then one thing that was very important was they said, “You can’t father a child.” So they said, “Are you married? Single?” I said, “I’m married, but my wife tied her tubes.” “OK, perfect. That’s what we need to know.” That was very interesting. Because they can’t be responsible for the birth of that child if something goes wrong.”

Sounds like they’re more concerned about birth defects if he does decide to have children. Either way, long term affects are not known. Subjecting kids to this vaccine, even for testing without knowing long term affects is absolutely psychotic.

chucknorris

Your beer might give you cancer for all you know too. I don’t understand why you think a vaccine is the boogeyman. Before you quote the ingredients list on a flu vaccine, go check out the ingredients list on a package of Doritos. Lots of long scary words there too, but I don’t have any long term concerns about popping a chip in my mouth.

There are no known long term side effects to this vaccine, while Kawasaki syndrome and various heart and lung ailments have been correlated to contracting Covid-19. I’m not asking for a mandate to take this thing
especially for a child, but stop using terms like “psychotic” to describe those of us that don’t make health decisions based on conspiracy theories and pseudoscience.