Phins2right

Hard to make a real vax when you don't actually have THE virus id'd and isolated. Been saying this all along.

You have to really dig into the CDC reports to find what they've hidden...actually they haven't hidden it, the MSM just doesn't find it convenient to tell you about it because it doesn't fit in the doom/fear/panic narrative.

Read thru this:
https://principia-scientific.com/lab...ositive-tests/

The one doctor does use rather colorful language, sort of unprofessional, but they do have good points. These are Stanford, Cornell, etc labs that are looking. Not Quest/Labcorp or some other place.

Rick, to fully grasp how the mRNA is not going to work, you need to fully understand the adaptive immune system. I'll start to break it down for you. Getting my notes together and getting some experts to dumb it down for me. It's pretty heady stuff and I can honestly say way above my level. However, I do have some good MD's helping me to understand it.

Mesabah

Those vaccines have an engineered cross reactive antibody, years of coronavirus research has found that this is a more effective approach. I covered this in a post a few months ago.

kaputt

Goodness gracious. Even a DuckDuckGo search (to avoid the Google propaganda filter) shows that Principia Scientific is a fringe conspiracy site that pushes pseudo science theories in order to drive an anti-vax narrative.

The CDC literally explains isolating the virus on their own page.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...l-culture.html

Look, I get it. You are all in on the conspiracy so any facts presented to counter your position are written off by you as just another part of the conspiracy. It’s why conspiracy theories never go away and why you cannot actually have a discussion with a true conspiracy theorist.

I will say, I agree with one of the previous posters that said Fauci/the govt/the media have done a lot of damage to their credibility which has thus hurt them in pushing COVID vaccines. The constantly shifting goal posts, lock downs, over zealous mask mandates, etc... have understandably ****ed a lot of people off and led to a lot of distrust. Those same things have angered me as well, but also I know that COVID itself is real (my own mom had the virus) and that I’d like to not get it if I can (just like I don’t want to get the flu). Due to that, I’ve done my own research on the vaccines, of which there is actually a ton of unbiased data out there, and came to the determination that I wanted to get vaccinated and that it would be absolutely safe to do so.

But man, no one is going to take you seriously on here if you keep referencing fringe conspiracy pages or swearing by correlative data with no evidence behind it.

Excargodog

I’m not a conspiracy theorist and certainly not an anti-vaxxer. But NOTHING is absolutely safe. But all it has to be is safer than the alternative.

kaputt

That’s a fair point, I could probably have written that statement a little better.

The data I found on the vaccine made any potential risk from a vaccine outweigh the risks that exist from Covid. And that is as someone who probably has a near zero chance of dying from COVID.

One thing that has always stuck with me is an incident my freshman year of college. I didn’t get a flu shot that year and what do you know, I got the flu that year. I was so absolutely awfully sick that I never want to live through an experience like that again if I don’t have to. I had lasting effects from that flu for weeks after I was officially “better”. Of course the flu vaccine or Covid vaccine is not a fool proof deterrent from getting either of those viruses, but if it can help me avoid getting sick or help me avoid severe illness, it’s something I’m probably going to do.

But now that I do have my Covid shot (I got J&J), for god sakes let me eat inside at a restaurant or go to a baseball game without a mask.

Excargodog

Probably could have phrased that one a little better too....

rickair7777

Maybe you missed the part about a year ago where pointed out that I have professional education and work experience in biotech? In all seriousness you've been mislead by people who are getting a lot of clicks and likes on social media by telling very tall but entertaining stories. I've been following the mRNA tech for almost as long as it's been in development.

Israel said the mRNA vaccines work great, in real-world implementation. Those people bow to no one, ever, not even the US which is their most vital ally. I can positively guarantee you (again more professional work experience, mil this time) that the recent sabotage at Iran's nuclear facilities was not Joe's idea.

T1000

Hey RickAir since you know everything and are so highly educated, could you please give me the numbers for the next Mega millions drawing?

block30

Truth!!
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TransWorld

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Some combination of them.