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Old 05-06-2021, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Gordie H View Post
The disturbing thing is many people don’t see this for what it actually was – one of multiple serious attempts to overturn the results. When vote totals no longer matter…that’s basically the end of this whole thing.
Gordie, personally I have no problem with the outcome. No matter how it was orchestrated the Democratic Party was brilliant in getting out the vote. They should be congratulated and carefully analyzed at the same time if the Republicans want to have a chance in the future.

And this was not about the vote. That subject has been covered so many times we should all simply ignore it and move on.

What I am still repulsed by is the inconsistency in the application of values. As a nation we are clearly in one of the worst times in its history. People in all positions clearly have applied what is known as "situational ethics," picking and choosing whatever will favor their needs and wants. Very sad times
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Woah woah woah... are you seriously going to prosecute this, "his guy lying and defending terrorism against the United States" while giving a pass for those who have destroyed city after city, murdered and threatened innocent people, caused billion of dollars in damage, openly revolted against the very laws of the cities, states and Nation? I might also add defend the very words of Congress Women Pelosi, Waters, and Cortez (and many others including BLM) who have openly called for violence and insurrection of the USA where it suits their agenda.

Do you defend the evil and subversive behavior and message of these people?

You sir and many like you are far too inconsistent in your value system. It's time to own up to your failure to act consistently as a Citizen of these United States.

No it's you who needs a moment of reflection on your behavior and political views.
You are seriously doubling down on your support of the attempted violent overthrow of the United States and its government!?!?

What is wrong with you? What about-ism is absolutely no excuse for sedition, treason and terrorism.
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Old 05-06-2021, 01:22 PM
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You are seriously doubling down on your support of the attempted violent overthrow of the United States and its government!?!?

What is wrong with you? What about-ism is absolutely no excuse for sedition, treason and terrorism.
You are really confused, can't seem to read with comprehension, make unfounded assumptions and more.

Just throw out the tired, worn and invalid "what about-ism" defense when your position is not only un-defendable it is purely repulsive and an affront to the Citizens the USA. The very use of this argument demonstrates you have nothing more than a sophomoric view of politics and legal matters.

And by the way, it appears unlike you, I support the legal and truly peaceful right of free speech and protest in these United States. I do not, as any sane person shouldn't, support any violence, personal bodily attacks, destruction of property or actions against our Governmental processes, and that includes the breaking into and the destruction of our Capital building and what it represents.

You, as well as many others (no political Party excluded) need to be consistent in your values and stop demonstrating ingenuous and immature opinions of these events.

“Yes, Grasshopper. But can any man afford such arrogance?”

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Old 05-06-2021, 01:54 PM
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And by the way, it appears unlike you, I support the legal and truly peaceful right of free speech and protest in these United States. I do not, as any sane person shouldn't, support any violence, personal bodily attacks, destruction of property or actions against our Governmental processes, and that includes the breaking into and the destruction of our Capital building and what it represents.
You are concerned about civil disobedience…ok, it’s a debatable issue…one of a hundred. I’m much more concerned right now about vote totals being honored…if this goes, the country will never be the same.

There are plenty of banana republics in the world…I don’t know why people don’t think it can’t happen here.
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You are really confused, can't seem to read with comprehension, make unfounded assumptions and more.

Just throw out the tired, worn and invalid "what about-ism" defense when your position is not only un-defendable it is purely repulsive and an affront to the Citizens the USA. The very use of this argument demonstrates you have nothing more than a sophomoric view of politics and legal matters.

And by the way, it appears unlike you, I support the legal and truly peaceful right of free speech and protest in these United States. I do not, as any sane person shouldn't, support any violence, personal bodily attacks, destruction of property or actions against our Governmental processes, and that includes the breaking into and the destruction of our Capital building and what it represents.

You, as well as many others (no political Party excluded) need to be consistent in your values and stop demonstrating ingenuous and immature opinions of these events.

“Yes, Grasshopper. But can any man afford such arrogance?”
My “position” is being against the attempted violent overthrow of the government and against legitimizing, making excuses for, supporting, or deemphasizing, or lying to protect domestic terrorism (which you unequivocally just did with your “mostly peaceful, no deaths endorsement).

I never brought up Pelosi, BLM, AOC, or whatever else you are raving about. You threw that out there in a panicked deflection after getting called out for saying that You don’t think Jan 6 was so bad.

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The Whiskey Rebellion (over a nine cent a gallon tax on Whiskey) was a far greater threat to the US government than was the 6 Jan “insurrection” of a bunch of people upset over an election loss.

https://www.history.com/topics/early...skey-rebellion

Same for the veterans March of 1932

https://www.ushistory.org/us/48c.asp
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Originally Posted by Gordie H View Post
You are concerned about civil disobedience…ok, it’s a debatable issue…one of a hundred. I’m much more concerned right now about vote totals being honored…if this goes, the country will never be the same.

There are plenty of banana republics in the world…I don’t know why people don’t think it can’t happen here.
You may be right, but I did my part by voting and assuring I was properly identified this year. Thank you though for the response and I do believe the Democrats legally made sure they could get people who never or rarely voted to cast their ballots.
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The Whiskey Rebellion (over a nine cent a gallon tax on Whiskey) was a far greater threat to the US government than was the 6 Jan “insurrection” of a bunch of people upset over an election loss.

https://www.history.com/topics/early...skey-rebellion

Same for the veterans March of 1932

https://www.ushistory.org/us/48c.asp
And white supremacists are a greater threat that BLM
and Antifa. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-10-06/dhs-white-supremacists-the-most-persistent-and-lethal-threat-within-the-us%3fcontext=amp

The civil war was worse than the civil unrest last year.

Does that mean all of those other things get a pass? Or that we should make it seem ok for this to happen ever few years? If a hijacker took over your plane and one of them and an FA were hurt but once they got control of the flight deck the just left because they didn’t have a plan, would you just say, “no worries, this isn’t the worst hijacking and you stopped so it’s fine?”
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I never brought up Pelosi, BLM, AOC, or whatever else you are raving about. You threw that out there in a panicked deflection after getting called out for saying that You don’t think Jan 6 was so bad.
You are really something and I stand on my comment about your ability to read and comprehend. Amazing isn't it when a narrative gets so ingrained in person's head they can't see beyond their nose. It's call being myopic in their views. If you noticed I never wrote or implied the Jan 6 invasion of the Capital Building "wasn't so bad." I clearly pointed out when compared to the hatred, destruction, death and out right verbal attacks by certain Congress women and others, those events were not only equal to but greater attacks on our Nation and its very core. Something you deny!

And just to get the record straight no one "panicked" except for you. Especially when you bring up tired old cliches to "deflect" the real issues at hand.

Let's make this more clear, people who have an opinions like you about the past year of hate and destruction within our Country are major contributors to the dangers we face, both physically and culturally real.

But in the end you will just call names, use some sort foul language or something similar bringing more hate and destruction to the world.

Moving on, go fly your airplane.
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Originally Posted by FlewUnderWires View Post
And white supremacists are a greater threat that BLM
and Antifa. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usn...%3fcontext=amp

The civil war was worse than the civil unrest last year.

Does that mean all of those other things get a pass? Or that we should make it seem ok for this to happen ever few years? If a hijacker took over your plane and one of them and an FA were hurt but once they got control of the flight deck the just left because they didn’t have a plan, would you just say, “no worries, this isn’t the worst hijacking and you stopped so it’s fine?”



You exaggerating the importance of a demonstration because of a few weirdos tagging on to it would be as stupid as me claiming that ANTIFA is a legitimate threat to the overthrow of the US. There will always be idiots and thugs.


From the WaPo::

D.C. medical examiner releases cause of death for four people who died during Capitol riot

A mob tries to break through a police barrier at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. (John Minchillo/AP)
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Peter Hermann
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Steve Thompson

April 7, 2021 at 4:24 p.m. PDTTwo civilians who died during the violent Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol died of natural causes, and a third succumbed to amphetamine intoxication, according to the D.C. medical examiner’s office.

A fourth person, 35-year-old Ashli Babbitt, who was fatally shot by a Capitol police officer inside the Capitol, was struck by a bullet to her front left shoulder, the medical examiner said in a statement.
The cause of death for a fifth person, Capitol Police Officer Brian D. Sicknick, who collapsed after confronting rioters and died Jan. 7, remains pending
A U.S. Capitol Police officer holding a program for the ceremony memorializing Officer Brian D. Sicknick in the Capitol Rotunda on Feb. 3.Credit...Pool photo by Demetrius Freeman
By Adam Goldman

April 19, 2021WASHINGTON — Officer Brian D. Sicknick of the U.S. Capitol Police had multiple strokes hours after sparring with a pro-Trump mob during the Jan. 6 riot and died of natural causes, Washington’s medical examiner said on Monday
So in the end, we had one person shot, one overdosed, and two civilians and one cop dying of natural causes.

By comparison, in the 1968 riots in DC, 13 people died, either burned alive, beaten to death, or shot by police with 1097 injured and 7000 arrested.

The “insurrection’ on 6 Jan was scarcely a threat to the nation or the government and you lose all credibility when you try to make it so.
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