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Old 11-22-2020, 02:43 PM   #1  
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Default The anti-vaxxers...

They may not be the people you think they are...

Anti-vaxxers tend to congregate in urban centers, creating anti-vaccination hotspots in cities like Seattle, Portland, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, Houston and Kansas City.

This has been true throughout history. In the 19th century, when the smallpox epidemic was raging across the country, anti-vaccination movements sprang up amongst the educated middle class in cities like Boston and Minneapolis.

It seems counterintuitive. We’d like to think that, along with an education, you gain an understanding of how vaccines work — or, at least, a certain respect for the medical experts who are recommending them. And polls have indeed shown that anti-vaccine views are inversely correlated with education levels.
But according to Peter Hotez, a vaccine scientist and dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, especially in urban areas, anti-vaxxers tend to be more affluent. They also come from regions of the country with the highest education rates, like college and tech towns. These anti-vaxxers have better access to the internet and more time to visit websites and chatrooms that already align with their belief system. Online and in books, they can find plenty of fuel to feed their fire. Amazon and Facebook, says Hotez, are some of the biggest providers of false information and anti-vaccination books.

ARTURS BUDKEVICS / MCT ​​​​​​If you’re against vaccinating your child, there’s a good chance you’re a college-educated white woman making decent money.

The rebel forces in America’s latest culture war — the so-called anti-vaxxers — are often described as middle- and upper-class women who breast-feed their children, shop at Whole Foods, endlessly scour the web for vaccine-related conversation, and believe that their thinking supersedes that of doctors. Typically their families earn more than $75,000 a year.
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Old 11-22-2020, 03:16 PM   #2  
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Well that's a good thing, because Karen will be severely impacted when her precious snowflakes are banned from school and all youth activities. She (or Kevin) will have to quit one of the double incomes to homeschool.

I bet Karen comes around before too long.

Actually the anti-vaxx people I know are rural or semi-rural.
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Old 11-22-2020, 04:29 PM   #3  
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I hope we are applying this term appropriately. Some folks delay vaccines until their child is a bit older, some space them out versus a bunch at once, some choose certain vaccines while not others. Its not an either or situation.

I have always limited my meds intake because I'm young healthy. If I get sick I stay home and let my body work it out. Sometimes I take them. My child has some special needs and the doctors of course right away offered meds as part of the solution. We *that* case. Ive taken flak for avoiding meds akin to what I hear spewed at "anti vax". People need to cool their jets.

Two weeks ago my immediate next door neighbor lost their 1.5 year old within 24 hours after their well child visit and vaccine catch up (due to covid they avoided the doctor for the spring and summer...and really the fall too.) I also served directly side by side with a young woman who got messed up so bad from a shot shes now officially getting out this December. Saw that with my own eyes. Let's all have a little grace. Which I highly doubt will happen.
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Old 11-22-2020, 04:37 PM   #4  
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Anecdotal evidence of rare but real vaccine deaths and sicknesses drive vaccine fears.

Statistics drive vaccine use. This is what happens when 20% of kids don't get vaccines. And.......the reason it can be gotten away with in the US without a high likelihood of disease is because pretty much everyone else took the freaking vaccine. It's truly freeloading.

"It is estimated that about three million children under five years of age die each year in the African Region and a significant number of these deaths could be prevented by vaccines. Yet one in five children does not receive them. Lack of service delivery in remote areas or lack of information about the effectiveness of vaccines is a major reason many do not receive them."

Here we go with the next ideological furball in which facts don't matter. We're going to argue beliefs and freedoms vs. data AGAIN.
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Old 11-22-2020, 05:01 PM   #5  
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We only need enough vaccinated for herd immunity. Children and healthy adults should be the last to get vaccinated, based on a simple risk assessment. Vaccinations should occur when morbidity makes it necessary.
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Old 11-22-2020, 05:03 PM   #6  
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Forced vaccinations are not Constitutional.

People are free to determine their own level of risk.
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Old 11-22-2020, 05:30 PM   #7  
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Yes! Here we go. The constitutional amendment on vaccines. Right next to the one on masks and right after the one that forbids public health considerations.

At what point did EVERYTHING on Earth rise to the level of a constitutional issue? Freaking EVERYTHING!!!

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Old 11-22-2020, 05:32 PM   #8  
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer View Post
Forced vaccinations are not Constitutional.

People are free to determine their own level of risk.
And free to be excluded from parts of society. “No shoes, no shirt, no vaccine, no service.”

Freedom and all.
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Old 11-22-2020, 06:08 PM   #9  
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer View Post
Forced vaccinations are not Constitutional.

People are free to determine their own level of risk.

Sure but schools, businesses, and universities are free to tell them to find somewhere else to go. Also I would guess rather quickly it will become required to cross borders.
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The rumor mill is already fierce.

“I’ve heard it causes sterility and birth defects.”

Most of the people I talk to are saying they want to wait on it. They think it was rushed. They’re getting their news from

I think that vaccine fear is going to significantly delay this recovery.
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