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Old 02-18-2021, 08:01 PM   #131  
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Why would the govt follow their own recommendations?

Yeah. Such a deadly virus i needed a swab shoved up my nose to tell me I was sick.

First time was a cold or short lived mild flu.

Yes, they keep on shoving a pcr swab up my nose 2-3 times a week.

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The government takes this virus so seriously I had a family member who works at a government hospital get called and asked if they can work the day after testing positive.
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Iíd refer you to the veterinary literature where long term viral hosts are sort of commonplace, everything from Hoof and mouth disease to bat lyssa viruses. The mechanism appears to be a partial immunity with frequent localized breakthroughs, which probably is the mechanism for herpes simplex as well as zoster, albeit on a shorter timescale than zoster.


But it happens in humans too, and with respiratory infections.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3142679/
I think we're splitting hairs.

Summary: Unlike a bacteria, a virus cannot achieve a happy, steady-state, symbiotic existence with your body. It's always either hiding, or fighting your body and immune system. In order to reproduce, it MUST destroy the cells which make up your tissue.

That means viruses are less likely to find a steady-state point where they can just hang out forever, although it does happen in some cases.
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I think we're splitting hairs.

Summary: Unlike a bacteria, a virus cannot achieve a happy, steady-state, symbiotic existence with your body. It's always either hiding, or fighting your body and immune system. In order to reproduce, it MUST destroy the cells which make up your tissue.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6476163/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4440412/


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The most enigmatic picornavirus has been, and remains, hepatitis A virus. Unlike its more rapidly growing cousins poliovirus, rhinovirus and coxsackievirus, naturally occurring isolates of hepatitis A virus have not been observed to lyse infected cells in tissue culture or in infected humans [reviewed in (6)]. The liver of a person infected with hepatitis A virus can often be heavily infected, so the virus must spread from cell to cell. During acute human infection, virus appears in the stool before any evidence of any immune-mediated hepatocyte damage occurs. Therefore, hepatitis A virus would seem to spread exclusively non-lytically. Furthermore, such examples are not limited to picornaviruses; for example, simian virus 40 (SV40), a DNA virus, was shown to release from monkey kidney cells at very high titers in the apparent absence of lysis measured on a population scale (7).

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That means viruses are less likely to find a steady-state point where they can just hang out forever, although it does happen in some cases.
Except there are subsets of cells in your body that are ALWAYS transient. Low level infections in cells that are constantly being sloughed anyway do no real harm to the entire organism, like warts caused by human papilloma virus.

Others modulate themselves to produce new virus without killing the cell. Yet others appear to be repressed by body immune mechanisms and flare briefly when those immune mechanisms are suppressed or whither over time. For a more complete description:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK8538/

But yeah, we are splitting hairs. It doesnít matter if you call it latent infection, persisting low grade infection, viral dormancy, or whatever. And while the chronic infecting organism isnít symbiotic, it isnít all that harmful either necessarily, although it can serve as a potential source of spread to others, like shingles in an older person giving a younger susceptible one chickenpox.
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White House pushing more vaccine production, Pfizer to double output...


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN2AJ0CU
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White House pushing more vaccine production, Pfizer to double output...


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN2AJ0CU
Vaccines to give 100 million people shots in 100 days, as opposed to 10 million in 10 days during the last part of the previous administration. Do I understand that correctly?
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Vaccines to give 100 million people shots in 100 days, as opposed to 10 million in 10 days during the last part of the previous administration. Do I understand that correctly?

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Sweden has trouble vaccinating elderly... appointments require a digital ID which was already in common use with younger folks pre-covid, but is a stumbling block for older folks who are not tech savvy.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ok-2021-04-16/
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