pangolin

The flu is a flu virus not a corona virus. Nothing you said after that matters. You’ve lost all credibility.

Mesabah

At some point down the road, if you take the mRNA vaccine first, you will need additional boosters, or much more likely, just give up and take the single dose vaccine.

pangolin

WHY? Research I’ve seen shows long lasting (perhaps lifetime) immunity using the double dose mRNA vaccines.

rickair7777

We'll have to wait and see, but from what I've followed about the mRNA technology and natural immunityI'd expect longer, not shorter immunity. At least a year or two.

rickair7777

Most people (like me) get vaccinated for the flu due to the nuisance of getting it. Some folks who are at higher risk (old and kids) get vaccinated with safety in mind.

Since 'rona appears to have a chance of a high nuisance value in low-risk people (the long "long haul" stuff), I assume that many low-risk people will get the vaccine just to avoid losing their small and/or taste for a couple months. Some (many?) others will get the vaccine to do their part and help end the pandemic... nobody gets a flu shot out of a motive to help society and other people because it doesn't really matter with flu.

rickair7777

You are factually incorrect in everything you just said. Astounding level of ignorance for someone who's (presumably?) an airline pilot. You can easily edumucate yourself on all of the things you just got wrong with google.

The flu certainly is not a coronavirus.

The flu mutates rapidly in a unique reservoir ecosystem of pigs, chickens, and peasants in Asia. That's why the vaccine cocktail has to be adjusted, depending on which strains of flu they predict will escape to the rest of the world. Covid doesn't do that, and is unlikely to ever do that.

The flu vaccine is adjusted twice each year, not annually.

If COVOD mutates around a vaccine, then just like flu, they'll develop a new version of the vaccine. With mRNA vaccines especially that's very easy.

AYLflyer

It really amazes me sometimes. I mean becoming a civilian pilot isn't all that difficult, but I've had guys who were former military officers flying airplanes off of ships and graduated from top academies spew BS propaganda about this virus. There are literally doctors and nurses posting videos from inside of ICUs that are beyond max capactiy, pleading with the public, yet these geniuses are still out there spreading "news" they got from facebook. Also I love that almost universally they respond with the "I'm sure your communist MSNBC/CNN etc is better". No idiot. I know when to stay in my lane. I'm not a doctor, but the guy in the white coat with an actual PHD that is working with dying patients in an overflowing hospital and refrigerator truck morgues is telling me to stop being a dumbass and wear a mask. So yes, I'll listen to them rather than an airline pilot.

My spouse works in the medical world and lost 2 nurses in her department back in the spring due to covid. Both in their 40s, ended up in the ICU and didn't make it. According to the conspiracy guys though, those nurses were "going to die anyways" at some point.

Speed Select

PhD? I prefer doctors with an MD.

How wide is your lane, exactly?

rickair7777

MD's are operators, more like pilots. PhD's are scientists, more like aero engineers. You can be a perfectly competent specialist MD and still be inept at other specialties and fields of medicine and research. The trouble begins when you get an ego which doesn't know it's own limitations.

The ideal medical researcher is a dual MD/PhD... they know both the science and clinical context and realities. Many top researchers have both credentials.

GeeWizDriver

Guess what? The vast majority of new medical breakthroughs, including these new vaccines, aren’t being made by PHDs or MDs. They are being made by math geeks from MIT and the like.

Sure, there are doctors involved. But ever since the human genome mapping project, math has become the pathway to new health care solutions. Good Will Hunting is the future.

And it’s too bad so much of the Covid math has been left to doctors to explain instead of the math geeks. They balled it all up and continue to do so. It’s one of the reasons they have so little credibility.