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Old 02-22-2021, 08:50 PM   #71  
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...He’s probably planning on a book once this is all over to rake in the cash.
At 80 years old it isn't about the cash.

Fauci is an addict!

He is addicted to the lime light and being the master of this issue.

If you haven't noticed Gates has more cash than all of us combined and yet he still can't stop preaching his new religious message to the world.

All of these guys love having their names and faces dominating the world.

The point? It isn't about money!
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At 80 years old it isn't about the cash.

Fauci is an addict!

He is addicted to the lime light and being the master of this issue.

If you haven't noticed Gates has more cash than all of us combined and yet he still can't stop preaching his new religious message to the world.

All of these guys love having their names and faces dominating the world.

The point? It isn't about money!
From ABC News:

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So what point are you trying to make?

Fauci is worth millions and the prize is about his tv appearances. Maybe he should get an Emmy!

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/ar...th-and-salary/

If the article is somewhat correct his annual income is near $1 million. “When you combine his annual dividends, $400k salary salary and book royalties, Fauci likely earned over $1 million in 2019, and perhaps as much in recent years.”
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I wasn’t going to respond but... Low on antibodies does mean low on antibody response to antigens. T-cells, leukocytes B-cells etc are part of immune response not all of it. As you probably know.

You probably also know that “QUICKLY” letting the virus spread to 10s of millions does not impact mutation. Mutation in viruses occurs based on number of hosts/reproduction rather than an arbitrary time. They don’t reproduce without host cells. This isn’t bacteria.

I am guessing you aren’t an epidemiologist or virologist. But maybe I’m wrong. I am certainly not a scientist. I ask the ones in my family, when I have questions, then I listen and ask more.

For the people that keep saying this is the first time we’ve ever socially distanced or “locked down”, I’d be curious if you are counting 1918 pandemic. I am also curious why every other country from DPRK to Canada has either closed borders, stopped foreign travel, or some combination. Is that all part of the “first time?”

I’d also like to know what this arduous national lockdown is, because I’ve been eating on patios or getting to-go food for a year now.

Actually, I stopped counting when I reached 20 family members, extended family members, and close friends who are doctors. All of whom I have discussed Covid with over the past year. Although there is disagreement among them over masks, nearly all agree that lockdowns of the healthy were counterproductive and the focus should have been to isolate the vulnerable and allow a more rapid growth of herd immunity among the young and healthy.

As it happens, I spent the afternoon with a friend who spent 40 years as a pathologist specializing in infectious disease. Since his retirement, he geeks out on medical journals, studies, and white papers. Ironic that you mentioned the Spanish Flu since he referred me to this study today on long-term immunity through B-Cell "training":

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...pandemic-virus

Cliff's Notes version. B-Cell immunity to past virus infection can last DECADES. So no, you don't have to have antibodies present to still be immune. The B-Cells can rapidly stimulate antibody production to a virus it recognizes in as little as 12 hours. Antibodies that would not otherwise be present, nor detectable in a test.

Aaaand this is the part where the real "science deniers" say, in a very whiny manner, "but, but, this isn't the Spanish Flu, it's COVID!"

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Oh, and here's a money quote from this 2008 article:

Anthony Fauci, MD, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said recent studies have projected that immunity lasts several decades; the current study provides proof, the AP reported. "This is the mother of all immunological memory here," he told the AP.

Funny how he is now saying, paraphrasing of course, "Oh no, natural immunity isn't good enough, you still have to take the needle...and wear a mask...and lock down, basically for the foreseeable future."

So is he just forgetful, a liar, or incompetent?
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Actually, I stopped counting when I reached 20 family members, extended family members, and close friends who are doctors. All of whom I have discussed Covid with over the past year. Although there is disagreement among them over masks, nearly all agree that lockdowns of the healthy were counterproductive and the focus should have been to isolate the vulnerable and allow a more rapid growth of herd immunity among the young and healthy.

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Ok and did you ask these 20 family and friend doctors how they expect that to have been accomplished? Or did you guys just all nod together in unity?

Step 1- Isolate the old. Isolate the unhealthy population, which you can say is much of the country. Somehow get all these people to comply. Flood the healthcare system with the 30/40/50 year old healthy people that are trying to develop herd immunity for the good of the nation, who won’t die but need oxygen or need an extended stay at the hospital.
Step 2- ???????
Step 3- End of the pandemic

Something like that? All this for a population where half took months to figure out how to not place a mask on backwards or refuse to wear one at all. Brilliant plan. I wonder why no one did that.

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Ok and did you ask these 20 family and friend doctors how they expect that to have been accomplished? Or did you guys just all nod together in unity?

Step 1- Isolate the old. Isolate the unhealthy population, which you can say is much of the country. Somehow get all these people to comply. Flood the healthcare system with the 30/40/50 year old healthy people that are trying to develop herd immunity for the good of the nation, who won’t die but need oxygen or need an extended stay at the hospital.
Step 2- ???????
Step 3- End of the pandemic

Something like that? All this for a population where half took months to figure out how to not place a mask on backwards or refuse to wear one at all. Brilliant plan. I wonder why no one did that.
The OVERWHELMING majority of positive tests among people under 65 are either asymptomatic or minor cases let alone result in "flooding the healthcare system." Some estimates place the number of asymptomatic cases that never recorded as 4-10 times as many as the confirmed positives. So no, they never should have been locked down and schools should NEVER have been closed. All your much beloved, nanny state, Big Brother over-reaction did was destroy an economy, empower the greatest expansion of big government in history, and stunt the education of an entire generation of children.

People like you STILL claim that 500,000 people have died OF Covid instead of WITH Covid. My pathologist friend has performed autopsies on more people than you KNOW and has explained death certificate processing to me in very gory detail. He has also studied the numbers throughout this pandemic. He is what you call an "expert" in the field. If there is ever an honest accounting of the primary cause of death in these cases (never happen BTW), he doubts more than 20% of the deaths were actually CAUSED by Covid, but rather a complicating factor listed below the primary cause of death on the DC.

People like you still pooh-pooh Sweden's response of asking the population to voluntarily limit gatherings and isolate the vulnerable rather than impose draconian lockdowns (oh, their mask compliance is also south of 20%) and their numbers are STILL better than most countries, especially when you consider that a HUGE portion of their fatalities were among Somali immigrants (vitamin D deficiency endemic to african heritage) and another huge portion were because of an early misstep on nursing home policy.

I've lived through Covid in my household. Have you?
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The OVERWHELMING majority of positive tests among people under 65 aren't even symptomatic, let alone result in "flooding the healthcare system." Some estimates place the number of asymptomatic cases that never recorded as 4-10 times as many as the confirmed positives. So no, they never should have been locked down and schools should NEVER have been closed. All your much beloved, nanny state, Big Brother over-reaction did was destroy an economy, empower the greatest expansion of big government in history, and stunt the education of an entire generation of children.

People like you STILL claim that 500,000 people have died OF Covid instead of WITH Covid. My pathologist friend has performed autopsies on more people than you KNOW and has explained death certificate processing to me in very gory detail. He has also studied the numbers throughout this pandemic. He is what you call an "expert" in the field. If there is ever an honest accounting of the primary cause of death in these cases (never happen BTW), he doubts more than 20% of the deaths were actually CAUSED by Covid, but rather a complicating factor listed below the primary cause of death on the DC.

People like you still pooh-pooh Sweden's response of asking the population to voluntarily limit gatherings and isolate the vulnerable rather than impose draconian lockdowns (oh, their mask compliance is also south of 20%) and their numbers are STILL better than most countries, especially when you consider that a HUGE portion of their fatalities were among Somali immigrants (vitamin D deficiency endemic to african heritage) and another huge portion were because of an early misstep on nursing home policy.
I was just simply asking if you actually know what you were all in agreement to actually means. Like I said, you want to “isolate the vulnerable” which I’m assuming you mean the elderly and the unhealthy. How do you plan on doing this and how do you plan on having them comply? Old and unhealthy want to live their lives too. Second, that leaves the 30s to 50s population that qualifies as “healthy”. How will you get this population to be ready and willing to infect themselves for the good of the nation? How will you manage all these populations, essentially mobilizing them. As far as Sweden, if we’re still talking about that, we all know we had the worst response in the world to this, most other countries rallied together, we did not since we are deeply divided.

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Infections don't matter.

There, I said it - now let me qualify it.

Infections don't matter when virulence is such that disease doesn't overwhelm health system capacity or cause significant mortality. This is reflected in outcomes with common colds and seasonal influenza.

Which demographics have seen the highest hospitalization rates, longest hospital stays, highest ICU admissions, and most deaths from SARS-CoV-2? The 65+ age demographic. The 65+ age demographic represents about 16.5% of the US population but 81% of COVID deaths.

What is more difficult to achieve and causes more social and economic harm for nonmedical intervention of a virus with a estimated IFR of less than 0.4% - isolating 16.5% of the population, or 100% of the population sans "essential workers"?

That isn't to say the 14-64 demographic wouldn't experience some severe disease and death...but the incidence of it would be such to not overwhelm health system capacity (which was the entire point of "flattening the curve")because you don't have a bunch of seniors filling your hospital beds for WEEKS at a time.

But to the point of "protecting the most vulnerable" and allowing the the other 83.5% of population to basically do our normal thing and circulate disease...that ship sailed a LONG time ago and ain't coming back. Instead, we've lengthened the period of the pandemic by "flattening the curve" to buy time toward vaccines, and are now vaccinating these higher age demographics first in an effort to harm reduce while vaccine supply is scarce.

We can argue the merit of 'lockdowns' over the last year until the cows come home but that won't change what happened - we need to be eyes forward as to what's happening and what's coming. Kids need to get back in schools ASAP, economic restrictions need to be further eased, and many younger people (say, those in the 18-55 range especially) need to stop being completely irrational about their individual risk from this virus.
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I was just simply asking if you actually know what you were all in agreement to actually means. Like I said, you want to “isolate the vulnerable” which I’m assuming you mean the elderly and the unhealthy. How do you plan on doing this and how do you plan on having them comply? Old and unhealthy want to live their lives too. Second, that leaves the 30s to 50s population that qualifies as “healthy”. How will you get this population to be ready and willing to infect themselves for the good of the nation? How will you manage all these populations, essentially mobilizing them. As far as Sweden, if we’re still talking about that, we all know we had the worst response in the world to this, most other countries rallied together, we did not since we are deeply divided.

This is an awesome example of how the left never accepts that they are wrong with a tired defeated idea and instead doubles down in an attempt to save it. You want the entire population to quarantine and give up their lives and incomes so that a small portion who largely has an income from pension or retirement can have their life. Do you even read what you post?
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