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Old 03-17-2021, 08:32 AM   #21  
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Also the bug was not engineered in any way... that kind of hacking leaves obvious genetic markers, and was ruled out very early on by simple inspection of the virus genome. It would be hypothetically possible to use selective breeding to try and achieve specific characteristics without any genetic engineering but if you're trying to make a virus more dangerous and contagious in humans, you'd have to use human hosts... LOTS of human hosts, possibly millions. Not even remotely practical.
I think you have been misled here, because the virus being studied at the lab, already had those specific characteristics. It would take only a few human tissue samples to manufacture a derivative.

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I think you have been misled here, because the virus being studied at the lab, already had those specific characteristics. It would take only a few human tissue samples to manufacture a derivative.

You can hypothetically MANUFACTURE a virus designed to do certain things. This has been done, but there's no indication that it's EVER been done as a bio-weapon. But that will leave tell-tale genetic markers from the gene splicing (which is not neat and tidy). The covid genome has already been examined and that was ruled out long ago.

In order to develop a non-genetically engineered virus, which would appear natural without gene splices, you would need to do old-fashioned SELECTIVE BREEDING, like you learned about in HS biology or ag class. That would take a lot of hosts, and a lot of time. If you use commonly available lab animals (ex rats), there's no guarantee or likelihood that your end result would affect humans at all, or in the manner you hoped for.

Cliff's notes here:

https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/ver...8-833d706996d7

CIA came to the same conclusion, despite pressure from the previous administration to blame the lab.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-theory-226269


I'd believe that the wuhan lab was experimenting with covid, and it's at least remotely possible it escaped from the lab.

But it was not engineered as a bio-weapon. Remotely (very), hypothetically possible they were breeding it in rats or bats or something to do research on contagious coronaviruses.

But I still think Occam's razor favors the wet markets, you've got everything you need right there with no hygiene controls.
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Even if cost were not a player accidents will happen. Itís the nature of everything. Just like the scientific maximum life span for humans is about 120 years.

Havenít beat it yet no matter how much money had been spent.

But itís good to live in a cloud of positivity.
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You can hypothetically MANUFACTURE a virus designed to do certain things. This has been done, but there's no indication that it's EVER been done as a bio-weapon. But that will leave tell-tale genetic markers from the gene splicing (which is not neat and tidy). The covid genome has already been examined and that was ruled out long ago.

In order to develop a non-genetically engineered virus, which would appear natural without gene splices, you would need to do old-fashioned SELECTIVE BREEDING, like you learned about in HS biology or ag class. That would take a lot of hosts, and a lot of time. If you use commonly available lab animals (ex rats), there's no guarantee or likelihood that your end result would affect humans at all, or in the manner you hoped for.

Cliff's notes here:

https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/ver...8-833d706996d7

CIA came to the same conclusion, despite pressure from the previous administration to blame the lab.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-theory-226269


I'd believe that the wuhan lab was experimenting with covid, and it's at least remotely possible it escaped from the lab.

But it was not engineered as a bio-weapon. Remotely (very), hypothetically possible they were breeding it in rats or bats or something to do research on contagious coronaviruses.

But I still think Occam's razor favors the wet markets, you've got everything you need right there with no hygiene controls.
Did you watch the video? The guest destroys the notion that it originated in the wet markets. He seems to believe, as I do, that the Chinese were studying these viruses in the lab and manipulating them. Not necessarily as a bioweapon but in an effort to learn more about these strains and develop countermeasures to them. One of the manipulated strains (SARS COV2) then accidentally escaped the lab and took on a life of its own.

THIS concept is far more in line with Occamís Razor as being the most plausible given the data that Roganís guest refers to.
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You can hypothetically MANUFACTURE a virus designed to do certain things. This has been done, but there's no indication that it's EVER been done as a bio-weapon. But that will leave tell-tale genetic markers from the gene splicing (which is not neat and tidy). The covid genome has already been examined and that was ruled out long ago.

In order to develop a non-genetically engineered virus, which would appear natural without gene splices, you would need to do old-fashioned SELECTIVE BREEDING, like you learned about in HS biology or ag class. That would take a lot of hosts, and a lot of time. If you use commonly available lab animals (ex rats), there's no guarantee or likelihood that your end result would affect humans at all, or in the manner you hoped for.

Cliff's notes here:

https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/ver...8-833d706996d7

CIA came to the same conclusion, despite pressure from the previous administration to blame the lab.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-theory-226269


I'd believe that the wuhan lab was experimenting with covid, and it's at least remotely possible it escaped from the lab.

But it was not engineered as a bio-weapon. Remotely (very), hypothetically possible they were breeding it in rats or bats or something to do research on contagious coronaviruses.

But I still think Occam's razor favors the wet markets, you've got everything you need right there with no hygiene controls.
I've never said, or implied that it was a bio-weapon. In October of 2019, the WIV coronavirus lab was emergency shut down, and the government quarantined a 10mile radius around it.
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Former CDC Director Robert Redfieldsaid he believes the coronavirus escaped from a Wuhan lab, a stunning assessment that echoes claims made by other members of the Trump administration, including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

In an interview with CNNís Sanjay Gupta, Redfield made clear he was expressing his opinion that the coronavirus, which erupted into a global pandemic in 2020, first spread from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

ďIím of the point of view that I still think the most likely etiology of this pathology in Wuhan was from a laboratory. Escaped. Other people donít believe that. Thatís fine. Science will eventually figure it out,Ē Redfield said in an interview that aired on New Day Friday.

ďItís not unusual for respiratory pathogens that are being worked on in a laboratory to infect the laboratory worker,Ē he said. ďThatís not implying any intentionality. Itís my opinion, right? But I am a virologist. I have spent my life in virology

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/breaking...rom-wuhan-lab/
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The former director of the CDC should now stand by to be cancelled.


Is it too soon to say "we told you so"?
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Wildlife was responsible for the great gonorrhea outbreak back in ‘74.

Interesting coincidence.

Technically I guess it should be ‘wild life’.

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Wildlife was responsible for the great gonorrhea outbreak back in Ď74.

Interesting coincidence.
I used that excuse with the wife once I don’t think I could get away with it again!!
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I used that excuse with the wife once I donít think I could get away with it again!!
Seriously? You told her you were screwing the wildlife? THAT must have been an interesting conversation that Iím glad I wasnít there to hear...
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