COVID Likely Origin: Wildlife Farms
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Also the bug was not engineered in any way... that kind of hacking leaves obvious genetic markers, and was ruled out very early on by simple inspection of the virus genome. It would be hypothetically possible to use selective breeding to try and achieve specific characteristics without any genetic engineering but if you're trying to make a virus more dangerous and contagious in humans, you'd have to use human hosts... LOTS of human hosts, possibly millions. Not even remotely practical.
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In order to develop a non-genetically engineered virus, which would appear natural without gene splices, you would need to do old-fashioned SELECTIVE BREEDING, like you learned about in HS biology or ag class. That would take a lot of hosts, and a lot of time. If you use commonly available lab animals (ex rats), there's no guarantee or likelihood that your end result would affect humans at all, or in the manner you hoped for.
Cliff's notes here:
https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/ver...8-833d706996d7
CIA came to the same conclusion, despite pressure from the previous administration to blame the lab.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-theory-226269
I'd believe that the wuhan lab was experimenting with covid, and it's at least remotely possible it escaped from the lab.
But it was not engineered as a bio-weapon. Remotely (very), hypothetically possible they were breeding it in rats or bats or something to do research on contagious coronaviruses.
But I still think Occam's razor favors the wet markets, you've got everything you need right there with no hygiene controls.
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Even if cost were not a player accidents will happen. It’s the nature of everything. Just like the scientific maximum life span for humans is about 120 years.
Haven’t beat it yet no matter how much money had been spent.
But it’s good to live in a cloud of positivity.
Even if cost were not a player accidents will happen. It’s the nature of everything. Just like the scientific maximum life span for humans is about 120 years.
Haven’t beat it yet no matter how much money had been spent.
But it’s good to live in a cloud of positivity.
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You can hypothetically MANUFACTURE a virus designed to do certain things. This has been done, but there's no indication that it's EVER been done as a bio-weapon. But that will leave tell-tale genetic markers from the gene splicing (which is not neat and tidy). The covid genome has already been examined and that was ruled out long ago.
In order to develop a non-genetically engineered virus, which would appear natural without gene splices, you would need to do old-fashioned SELECTIVE BREEDING, like you learned about in HS biology or ag class. That would take a lot of hosts, and a lot of time. If you use commonly available lab animals (ex rats), there's no guarantee or likelihood that your end result would affect humans at all, or in the manner you hoped for.
Cliff's notes here:
https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/ver...8-833d706996d7
CIA came to the same conclusion, despite pressure from the previous administration to blame the lab.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-theory-226269
I'd believe that the wuhan lab was experimenting with covid, and it's at least remotely possible it escaped from the lab.
But it was not engineered as a bio-weapon. Remotely (very), hypothetically possible they were breeding it in rats or bats or something to do research on contagious coronaviruses.
But I still think Occam's razor favors the wet markets, you've got everything you need right there with no hygiene controls.
In order to develop a non-genetically engineered virus, which would appear natural without gene splices, you would need to do old-fashioned SELECTIVE BREEDING, like you learned about in HS biology or ag class. That would take a lot of hosts, and a lot of time. If you use commonly available lab animals (ex rats), there's no guarantee or likelihood that your end result would affect humans at all, or in the manner you hoped for.
Cliff's notes here:
https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/ver...8-833d706996d7
CIA came to the same conclusion, despite pressure from the previous administration to blame the lab.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-theory-226269
I'd believe that the wuhan lab was experimenting with covid, and it's at least remotely possible it escaped from the lab.
But it was not engineered as a bio-weapon. Remotely (very), hypothetically possible they were breeding it in rats or bats or something to do research on contagious coronaviruses.
But I still think Occam's razor favors the wet markets, you've got everything you need right there with no hygiene controls.
THIS concept is far more in line with Occam’s Razor as being the most plausible given the data that Rogan’s guest refers to.
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You can hypothetically MANUFACTURE a virus designed to do certain things. This has been done, but there's no indication that it's EVER been done as a bio-weapon. But that will leave tell-tale genetic markers from the gene splicing (which is not neat and tidy). The covid genome has already been examined and that was ruled out long ago.
In order to develop a non-genetically engineered virus, which would appear natural without gene splices, you would need to do old-fashioned SELECTIVE BREEDING, like you learned about in HS biology or ag class. That would take a lot of hosts, and a lot of time. If you use commonly available lab animals (ex rats), there's no guarantee or likelihood that your end result would affect humans at all, or in the manner you hoped for.
Cliff's notes here:
https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/ver...8-833d706996d7
CIA came to the same conclusion, despite pressure from the previous administration to blame the lab.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-theory-226269
I'd believe that the wuhan lab was experimenting with covid, and it's at least remotely possible it escaped from the lab.
But it was not engineered as a bio-weapon. Remotely (very), hypothetically possible they were breeding it in rats or bats or something to do research on contagious coronaviruses.
But I still think Occam's razor favors the wet markets, you've got everything you need right there with no hygiene controls.
In order to develop a non-genetically engineered virus, which would appear natural without gene splices, you would need to do old-fashioned SELECTIVE BREEDING, like you learned about in HS biology or ag class. That would take a lot of hosts, and a lot of time. If you use commonly available lab animals (ex rats), there's no guarantee or likelihood that your end result would affect humans at all, or in the manner you hoped for.
Cliff's notes here:
https://www.wusa9.com/video/news/ver...8-833d706996d7
CIA came to the same conclusion, despite pressure from the previous administration to blame the lab.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-theory-226269
I'd believe that the wuhan lab was experimenting with covid, and it's at least remotely possible it escaped from the lab.
But it was not engineered as a bio-weapon. Remotely (very), hypothetically possible they were breeding it in rats or bats or something to do research on contagious coronaviruses.
But I still think Occam's razor favors the wet markets, you've got everything you need right there with no hygiene controls.
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Former CDC Director Robert Redfieldsaid he believes the coronavirus escaped from a Wuhan lab, a stunning assessment that echoes claims made by other members of the Trump administration, including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
In an interview with CNN’s Sanjay Gupta, Redfield made clear he was expressing his opinion that the coronavirus, which erupted into a global pandemic in 2020, first spread from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
“I’m of the point of view that I still think the most likely etiology of this pathology in Wuhan was from a laboratory. Escaped. Other people don’t believe that. That’s fine. Science will eventually figure it out,” Redfield said in an interview that aired on New Day Friday.
“It’s not unusual for respiratory pathogens that are being worked on in a laboratory to infect the laboratory worker,” he said. “That’s not implying any intentionality. It’s my opinion, right? But I am a virologist. I have spent my life in virology
In an interview with CNN’s Sanjay Gupta, Redfield made clear he was expressing his opinion that the coronavirus, which erupted into a global pandemic in 2020, first spread from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
“I’m of the point of view that I still think the most likely etiology of this pathology in Wuhan was from a laboratory. Escaped. Other people don’t believe that. That’s fine. Science will eventually figure it out,” Redfield said in an interview that aired on New Day Friday.
“It’s not unusual for respiratory pathogens that are being worked on in a laboratory to infect the laboratory worker,” he said. “That’s not implying any intentionality. It’s my opinion, right? But I am a virologist. I have spent my life in virology
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/breaking...rom-wuhan-lab/
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Is it too soon to say "we told you so"?
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Wildlife was responsible for the great gonorrhea outbreak back in ‘74.
Interesting coincidence.
Technically I guess it should be ‘wild life’.
Interesting coincidence.
Technically I guess it should be ‘wild life’.
Last edited by Huell; 03-26-2021 at 02:40 PM. Reason: Clarification on ‘is’
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