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Andy Dufresne 04-18-2021 08:13 PM

Stanford study: Masks are very bad
 

A group of Stanford researchers published a study that says masks are ineffective and could have long-term health consequences.

“Although, scientific evidence supporting facemasks’ efficacy is lacking, adverse physiological, psychological and health effects are established,” the article states.

In January, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention performed a study and concluded that universal masking is recommended to slow the spread of COVID-19.

But Stanford researchers disagree and say not only are masks ineffective, but could also be causing long-term health problems.

“Both medical and non-medical facemasks are ineffective to reduce human-to-human transmission and infectivity of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19,” the article details. “Wearing facemasks has adverse physiological and psychological effects … [and] long-term consequences of wearing facemasks on health are detrimental.”


The group’s research suggests that the long-term practice of wearing facemasks has the “strong potential for devastating health consequences,” and states that masks should be “avoided from use.”
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987720333028

dera 04-18-2021 08:23 PM

Alzheimer? Yeah right.

You clearly didn't read the article because you copied the hypothesis part. There is nothing studied in this article. You should read the crap you share first before regurgitating it here.

Andy Dufresne 04-18-2021 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3223533)
Alzheimer? Yeah right.

You clearly didn't read the article because you copied the hypothesis part. There is nothing studied in this article. You should read the crap you share first before regurgitating it here.

“I love science as long as I agree with it!!!1!”

I copied the hypothesis because that’s the meat of the study. The study is packed full of DATA. Cold, hard, statistics. Like this, for example:




The physical properties of medical and non-medical facemasks suggest that facemasks are ineffective to block viral particles due to their difference in scales [16], [17], [25]. According to the current knowledge, the virus SARS-CoV-2 has a diameter of 60 nm to 140 nm [nanometers (billionth of a meter)] [16], [17], while medical and non-medical facemasks’ thread diameter ranges from 55 µm to 440 µm [micrometers (one millionth of a meter), which is more than 1000 times larger [25]. Due to the difference in sizes between SARS-CoV-2 diameter and facemasks thread diameter (the virus is 1000 times smaller), SARS-CoV-2 can easily pass through any facemask [25]. In addition, the efficiency filtration rate of facemasks is poor, ranging from 0.7% in non-surgical, cotton-gauze woven mask to 26% in cotton sweeter material [2]. With respect to surgical and N95 medical facemasks, the efficiency filtration rate falls to 15% and 58%, respectively when even small gap between the mask and the face exists [25].

Clinical scientific evidence challenges further the efficacy of facemasks to block human-to-human transmission or infectivity. A randomized controlled trial (RCT) of 246 participants [123 (50%) symptomatic)] who were allocated to either wearing or not wearing surgical facemask, assessing viruses transmission including coronavirus [26]. [b{The results of this study showed that among symptomatic individuals (those with fever, cough, sore throat, runny nose ect…) there was no difference between wearing and not wearing facemask for coronavirus droplets transmission of particles of >5 µm. [/b] Among asymptomatic individuals, there was no droplets or aerosols coronavirus detected from any participant with or without the mask, suggesting that asymptomatic individuals do not transmit or infect other people [26]. This was further supported by a study on infectivity where 445 asymptomatic individuals were exposed to asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carrier (been positive for SARS-CoV-2) using close contact (shared quarantine space) for a median of 4 to 5 days. The study found that none of the 445 individuals was infected with SARS-CoV-2 confirmed by real-time reverse transcription polymerase [27].

A meta-analysis among health care workers found that compared to no masks, surgical mask and N95 respirators were not effective against transmission of viral infections or influenza-like illness based on six RCTs [28]. Using separate analysis of 23 observational studies, [bwthis meta-analysis found no protective effect of medical mask or N95 respirators against SARS virus [28].[/b]A recent systematic review of 39 studies including 33,867 participants in community settings (self-report illness), found no difference between N95 respirators versus surgical masks and surgical mask versus no masks in the risk for developing influenza or influenza-like illness, suggesting their ineffectiveness of blocking viral transmissions in community settings [29].

Another meta-analysis of 44 non-RCT studies (n = 25,697 participants) examining the potential risk reduction of facemasks against SARS, middle east respiratory syndrome (MERS) and COVID-19 transmissions [30]. The meta-analysis included four specific studies on COVID-19 transmission (5,929 participants, primarily health-care workers used N95 masks). Although the overall findings showed reduced risk of virus transmission with facemasks, the analysis had severe limitations to draw conclusions. One of the four COVID-19 studies had zero infected cases in both arms, and was excluded from meta-analytic calculation. Other two COVID-19 studies had unadjusted models, and were also excluded from the overall analysis. The meta-analytic results were based on only one COVID-19, one MERS and 8 SARS studies, resulting in high selection bias of the studies and contamination of the results between different viruses. Based on four COVID-19 studies, the meta-analysis failed to demonstrate risk reduction of facemasks for COVID-19 transmission, where the authors reported that the results of meta-analysis have low certainty and are inconclusive [30].

Andy Dufresne 04-18-2021 08:48 PM

More DATA. Science!


The adverse physiological effects were confirmed in a study of 53 surgeons where surgical facemask were used during a major operation. After 60 min of facemask wearing the oxygen saturation dropped by more than 1% and heart rate increased by approximately five beats/min [45]. Another study among 158 health-care workers using protective personal equipment primarily N95 facemasks reported that 81% (128 workers) developed new headaches during their work shifts as these become mandatory due to COVID-19 outbreak. For those who used the N95 facemask greater than 4 h per day, the likelihood for developing a headache during the work shift was approximately four times higher [Odds ratio = 3.91, 95% CI (1.35–11.31) p = 0.012], while 82.2% of the N95 wearers developed the headache already within ≤10 to 50 min [46].

With respect to cloth facemask, a RCT using four weeks follow up compared the effect of cloth facemask to medical masks and to no masks on the incidence of clinical respiratory illness, influenza-like illness and laboratory-confirmed respiratory virus infections among 1607 participants from 14 hospitals [19]. The results showed that there were no difference between wearing cloth masks, medical masks and no masks for incidence of clinical respiratory illness and laboratory-confirmed respiratory virus infections. However, a large harmful effect with more than 13 times higher risk [Relative Risk = 13.25 95% CI (1.74 to 100.97) was observed for influenza-like illness among those who were wearing cloth masks [19]. The study concluded that cloth masks have significant health and safety issues including moisture retention, reuse, poor filtration and increased risk for infection, providing recommendation against the use of cloth masks [19].

flydrive 04-18-2021 10:51 PM

So, when is the class action lawsuit against the CDC and all of our employers for endangering our health?

PossibleDeviation 04-19-2021 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by flydrive (Post 3223556)
So, when is the class action lawsuit against the CDC and all of our employers for endangering our health?

Won't ever happen. This study, along with others, will continue to be suppressed by big tech..... eh.... the government.....eh the CDC...... eh..... you get the point :mad:

rickair7777 04-19-2021 05:38 AM

Well I can definitely agree that masks interfere with our normal social interactions... further aggravtaing the effect that tech and social media compartmentalize people in their safe space bubble of choice, isolating them from other, real, people.

It's like zoom... probably fine if you already have a relationship, but hard to make and grow new ones.

galaxy flyer 04-19-2021 06:19 AM

Driving down the Merritt in CT last week, come to blockade of slow traffic. Eventually, we all get by this left lane bandit doing 54 mph, driving a Tesla, double-masked, all alone. Told me all I needed to know about COVID-fearing, climate activists preaching safetyism.

jetlaggy 04-19-2021 06:31 AM


Sounds like the same possible effects from flying in an airplane

FlewUnderWires 04-19-2021 06:37 AM

So...all I had to do was type in the name of the author of this “study”.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/apr/16/diamond-and-silk/medical-hypotheses-journal-article-lacks-evidence-/

And since you are going to disagree with politifact for being leftist.

https://www.amgenbiotechexperience.com/seeing-not-necessarily-believing

This article is literally being used as a method to teach people about how to identify misinformation.

Andy Dufresne 04-19-2021 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by FlewUnderWires (Post 3223634)
So...all I had to do was type in the name of the author of this “study”.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...cks-evidence-/

And since you are going to disagree with politifact for being leftist.

https://www.amgenbiotechexperience.c...rily-believing

This article is literally being used as a method to teach people about how to identify misinformation.

Of course it is. See the couple of posts above yours for reference.

Ignore the hypothesis if you want. The actual statistics they cite to form their opinions are valid, IMO. This is like using Wikipedia to write a research paper. You're not going to list Wikipedia on your bibliography, but those primary resources used to write the article aren't any less valid because of where they're cited.

Take it up with Stanford - one of the premier research institutions in America.

The science is becoming more and more clear by the day. Masks are useless at best, devastating to our long term health at worst. Neither are good reasons to wear one.

Phins2right 04-19-2021 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by FlewUnderWires (Post 3223634)
So...all I had to do was type in the name of the author of this “study”.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...cks-evidence-/

And since you are going to disagree with politifact for being leftist.

https://www.amgenbiotechexperience.c...rily-believing

This article is literally being used as a method to teach people about how to identify misinformation.

"Science Discovery for the classroom" says AMGEN.

AMGEN = A multinational biotechnical corporation based in the USA. Hmmmmmmm

The Stanford report is real. The findings are real. Its conclusions and science to support its Hypothesis seem to add up. In science experiments you do know one states a hypothesis then seeks to prove it. You know this right?

The crux of the AMGEN propaganda is so far removed from "science" the irony is thick.

I'd like to see what AMGEN and their "Science Discovery for the classroom" has to say about GoF studies conducted at a little ole class 4 lab in Wuhan, China.

Yeah, don't think they'll go there.

So much for "science" so much for critical thought. Sad what they teach the teachers these days.

Andy Dufresne 04-19-2021 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by Phins2right (Post 3223669)
"Science Discovery for the classroom" says AMGEN.

AMGEN = A multinational biotechnical corporation based in the USA. Hmmmmmmm

The Stanford report is real. The findings are real. Its conclusions and science to support its Hypothesis seem to add up. In science experiments you do know one states a hypothesis then seeks to prove it. You know this right?

The crux of the AMGEN propaganda is so far removed from "science" the irony is thick.

I'd like to see what AMGEN and their "Science Discovery for the classroom" has to say about GoF studies conducted at a little ole class 4 lab in Wuhan, China.

Yeah, don't think they'll go there.

So much for "science" so much for critical thought. Sad what they teach the teachers these days.

I didn't even bother to address the AMGEN rebuttal. Among their 4 objections to the study were that it included a misspelled word, included an "indirect suggestion" they didn't like, and that the authors didn't list specific page numbers for the studies they cited.

Not even worth the time to debate, IMO.

400000Dead 04-19-2021 07:45 AM

I'm sorry, I couldn't understand the point of this post beyond all of the crying.

It's been a year. Shut up.

Desdi 04-19-2021 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by 400000Dead (Post 3223679)
I'm sorry, I couldn't understand the point of this post beyond all of the crying.

It's been a year. Shut up.

Another substantive constructive post!

Andy Dufresne 04-19-2021 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by 400000Dead (Post 3223679)
I'm sorry, I couldn't understand the point of this post beyond all of the crying.

It's been a year. Shut up.

LOL

Year one: TrUsT tHe ScIeNcE!!!1!

Year two: nOt ThAt ScIeNcE!!!1!

Also year two: YoU'Ve AlReAdY bEeN fOlLoWiNg tHeSe StUpId RuLeS fOr A wHoLe YeAr So WhO cArEs?!??!11??

BAHAHAHAHA

The jokes write themselves. You are a walking stereotype.


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jWBTM5MBixE/maxresdefault.jpg

400000Dead 04-19-2021 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by Desdi (Post 3223680)
Another substantive constructive post!

At some point you gotta stop coddling the babies and let them cry it out.

skywatch 04-19-2021 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by FlewUnderWires (Post 3223634)
So...all I had to do was type in the name of the author of this “study”.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...cks-evidence-/

And since you are going to disagree with politifact for being leftist.

https://www.amgenbiotechexperience.c...rily-believing

This article is literally being used as a method to teach people about how to identify misinformation.

Yep, so a different website with a different political agenda says this is all fake science - OK, but do we ever ask why? Did you check any of the citations in the article to see if they did in fact support the authors claims of masking having health impacts? Like this piece, an actual RCT study done before COVID:

The physiological impact of wearing an N95 mask during hemodialysis as a precaution against SARS in patients with end-stage renal disease

Methods: ESRD patients who received regular HD at National Taiwan University Hospital between April to June 2003 were enrolled. Each patient wore a new N95 mask (3M Model 8210) during HD (4 hours). Vital signs, clinical symptoms and arterial blood gas measured before and at the end of HD were compared.

Results: Thirty nine patients (23 men; mean age, 57.2 years) were recruited for participation in the study. Seventy percent of the patients showed a reduction in partial pressure of oxygen (PaO2), and 19% developed various degrees of hypoxemia. Wearing an N95 mask significantly reduced the PaO2 level (101.7 +/- 12.6 to 92.7 +/- 15.8 mm Hg, p = 0.006), increased the respiratory rate (16.8 +/- 2.8 to 18.8 +/- 2.7/min, p < 0.001), and increased the occurrence of chest discomfort (3 to 11 patients, p = 0.014) and respiratory distress (1 to 17 patients, p < 0.001). Baseline PaO2 level was the only significant predictor of the magnitude of PaO2 reduction (p < 0.001).

Conclusion: Wearing an N95 mask for 4 hours during HD significantly reduced PaO2 and increased respiratory adverse effects in ESRD patients.

Sure, nothing I would want to call completely conclusive, but it is valid and does support the authors contention. Why are you (and politifact) so quick to throw that out? Do you only believe the science that supports your preconceived notions then?

Regularguy 04-19-2021 07:59 AM

Many decades ago, before internet and the TV stations were all local and went off the air at 11PM, I was on the school newspaper staff and we were taught this.

The first paragraph of all articles had to have a synopsis of these things; who, what, where, when why and how. The most important part was a catchy headline to draw the reader's attention to the article.

Why a catchy headline and brief synopsis in the first paragraph? Because that is all people will read!

Nothing has changed, except now the headline is call "click bait," and everything is either a dumb video or an opinion piece repeating the popular headlines of the day.

Assuming the paper is from Stanford, I'd say it has far more weight than the AMGEN group. Maybe, unless one has a political and financial interest connection with the NIH.

"Amgen Inc. (formerly A pplied M olecular Gen etics Inc.) is an American multinational biopharmaceutical company headquartered in Thousand Oaks, California. One of the world's largest independent biotechnology companies, Amgen was established in Thousand Oaks, California, in 1980."
2020 revenue, $25 billion.

So what stake does AMGEN have in disagreeing and essentially mocking Stanford?

https://www.amgen.com/responsibility...se-to-covid-19
  • Amgen is participating in the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Foundation for the NIH’s Accelerating COVID-19 Therapeutic Interventions and Vaccines partnership and the COVID R&D Alliance, a group of more than 20 R&D heads of the world’s leading biopharmaceutical and life science companies working to speed the development of potential therapies, novel antibodies and anti-viral therapies for COVID-19 and its related symptoms.
Fauci:

"The 80-year-old Dr. Fauci holds a medical degree from Cornell University and began his 53-year career at NIH in 1968. He assumed his NIAID Director position in 1984 and has advised every president since President Ronald Reagan, though he serves directly under the NIH Director Francis Collins."

You all be the judge.

FlewUnderWires 04-19-2021 08:04 AM

Now do politifact

Knobcrk1 04-19-2021 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by FlewUnderWires (Post 3223634)
So...all I had to do was type in the name of the author of this “study”.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...cks-evidence-/

And since you are going to disagree with politifact for being leftist.

https://www.amgenbiotechexperience.c...rily-believing

This article is literally being used as a method to teach people about how to identify misinformation.


Exactly. The article is completely laughable and it’s been debunked but is used seriously here. Masks causes insomnia? Aging? I mean come on.

Knobcrk1 04-19-2021 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by skywatch (Post 3223686)
Conclusion: Wearing an N95 mask for 4 hours during HD significantly reduced PaO2 and increased respiratory adverse effects in ESRD patients.

Who has the mask on for 4 hours straight?

Desdi 04-19-2021 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by Knobcrk1 (Post 3223691)
Who has the mask on for 4 hours straight?

Presumably pilots if what some on here demand is followed 🤷🏼‍♂️

Knobcrk1 04-19-2021 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by Desdi (Post 3223695)
Presumably pilots 🤷🏼‍♂️

You’re not going to be spending 4 hours at Walmart. At least I hope not!

Desdi 04-19-2021 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by Knobcrk1 (Post 3223697)
You’re not going to be spending 4 hours at Walmart. At least I hope not!

Hey they have a plethora of cheap canned goods, and I’m very selective!

Excargodog 04-19-2021 08:19 AM

https://youtu.be/Qp3gy_CLXho

Even a broken clock is right twice a day...

Desdi 04-19-2021 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3223700)
https://youtu.be/Qp3gy_CLXho

Even a broken clock is right twice a day...

Perhaps more like a canary in a coal mine

Firefighterpilo 04-19-2021 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by Knobcrk1 (Post 3223691)
Who has the mask on for 4 hours straight?

Pretty much everyone that has to be around customers and wear a mask for work.

Knobcrk1 04-19-2021 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by Firefighterpilo (Post 3223705)
Pretty much everyone that has to be around customers and wear a mask for work.

And are they complaining? Or is it a couple of pilots on here that probably don’t wear the mask for more than a few minutes at a time.

FlewUnderWires 04-19-2021 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by skywatch (Post 3223686)
Yep, so a different website with a different political agenda says this is all fake science - OK, but do we ever ask why? Did you check any of the citations in the article to see if they did in fact support the authors claims of masking having health impacts? Like this piece, an actual RCT study done before COVID:

The physiological impact of wearing an N95 mask during hemodialysis as a precaution against SARS in patients with end-stage renal disease

Methods: ESRD patients who received regular HD at National Taiwan University Hospital between April to June 2003 were enrolled. Each patient wore a new N95 mask (3M Model 8210) during HD (4 hours). Vital signs, clinical symptoms and arterial blood gas measured before and at the end of HD were compared.

Results: Thirty nine patients (23 men; mean age, 57.2 years) were recruited for participation in the study. Seventy percent of the patients showed a reduction in partial pressure of oxygen (PaO2), and 19% developed various degrees of hypoxemia. Wearing an N95 mask significantly reduced the PaO2 level (101.7 +/- 12.6 to 92.7 +/- 15.8 mm Hg, p = 0.006), increased the respiratory rate (16.8 +/- 2.8 to 18.8 +/- 2.7/min, p < 0.001), and increased the occurrence of chest discomfort (3 to 11 patients, p = 0.014) and respiratory distress (1 to 17 patients, p < 0.001). Baseline PaO2 level was the only significant predictor of the magnitude of PaO2 reduction (p < 0.001).

Conclusion: Wearing an N95 mask for 4 hours during HD significantly reduced PaO2 and increased respiratory adverse effects in ESRD patients.

Sure, nothing I would want to call completely conclusive, but it is valid and does support the authors contention. Why are you (and politifact) so quick to throw that out? Do you only believe the science that supports your preconceived notions then?

My dude. Did you know that dialysis itself is known to cause hypoxemia? Apparently this has been known for over 30 years and this journal of Chinese medicine study doesn’t seem to have had a control group of non masked patients because it was conducted during the SARS epidemic.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/602214

And here is a non covid report showing that 12 hours (3 times longer) with an n95 did not result in any significant physiological burden.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7132714/#__ffn_sectitle

If masks caused the negative effects y’all are suggesting then every doctor, nurse, contractor that wears a respirator, farmer mixing chemicals, skier wearing a balaclava, all of these people over the past decades, would have been filling hospitals and overwhelming the healthcare system with the conditions this hypothesis claims.

Knobcrk1 04-19-2021 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by FlewUnderWires (Post 3223726)

If masks caused the negative effects y’all are suggesting then every doctor, nurse, contractor that wears a respirator, farmer mixing chemicals, skier wearing a balaclava, all of these people over the past decades, would have been filling hospitals and overwhelming the healthcare system with the conditions this hypothesis claims.

Don’t forget early aging.

Regularguy 04-19-2021 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by FlewUnderWires (Post 3223689)
Now do politifact

Will do!

Politifact is part of the Poynter Institute

Start with Wikipedia:

"PolitiFact.com is an American nonprofit project operated by the Poynter Institute in St. Petersburg, Florida, with offices there and in Washington, D.C. It began in 2007 as a project of the Tampa Bay Times (then the St. Petersburg Times), with reporters and editors from the newspaper and its affiliated news media partners reporting on the accuracy of statements made by elected officials, candidates, their staffs, lobbyists, interest groups and others involved in U.S. politics"

"in 2019, Poynter used various "fake news" databases (including those curated by the Annenberg Public Policy Center, Merrimack College, PolitiFact, and Snopes) to compile a list of over 515 news websites that it labeled "unreliable." Poynter called on advertisers to "blacklist" the sites on the list. The list included conservative news websites such as the Washington Examiner, The Washington Free Beacon, and The Daily Signal. After backlash, Poynter retracted the list, citing "weaknesses in the methodology."[21] Poynter issued a statement, saying: "We regret that we failed to ensure that the data was rigorous before publication, and apologize for the confusion and agitation caused by its publication."

Essentially, Politicact a news based
organization. What it is not is the end all of research and fact checking. As I was taught so many years ago, they follow the headline and minimal article rule of reporting. Some of their results are good and some maybe not so good. Like all news organizations they are biased

An old article from Huff Post: Feb 12, 2012

"But I don’t think it’s so simple. I suspect the real problem is one of supply and demand. PolitiFact’s entertaining approach, complete with “Pants on Fire” liars, and its 2009 Pulitzer Prize, has led to a veritable fact-checking industry that needs increasing quantities of fuel to keep the fires burning. And there just isn’t enough. The fact-checkers are shifting from judging facts to indulging in opinion, but they’re not necessarily doing it because they want to. They’re doing it because politicians don’t flat-out lie as frequently as we might suppose."

There are more current articles, but they all tend to fall down the pit of opinion and political bias, something the Huff Post warned about years ago.

The point?

While entertaining to read, because of opinion and bias Politfact cannot be trusted as a source of facts.

So what is a person to do?

Live life.

Desdi 04-19-2021 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by FlewUnderWires (Post 3223726)
My dude. Did you know that dialysis itself is known to cause hypoxemia? Apparently this has been known for over 30 years and this journal of Chinese medicine study doesn’t seem to have had a control group of non masked patients because it was conducted during the SARS epidemic.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...bstract/602214

And here is a non covid report showing that 12 hours (3 times longer) with an n95 did not result in any significant physiological burden.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...__ffn_sectitle

If masks caused the negative effects y’all are suggesting then every doctor, nurse, contractor that wears a respirator, farmer mixing chemicals, skier wearing a balaclava, all of these people over the past decades, would have been filling hospitals and overwhelming the healthcare system with the conditions this hypothesis claims.

mmm Baclava 😋

400000Dead 04-19-2021 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by Regularguy (Post 3223732)
The point?

While entertaining to read, because of opinion and bias Politfact cannot be trusted as a source of facts.

So what is a person to do?

Live life.

You idiots have destroyed truth. Expertise doesn't matter. Facts don't matter. Only preconceived opinions matter and here's my "study" written on a bar napkin to prove it.

I believe that every opposing opinion on this forum is written by a singular, super hacker troll and that none of it is real.

I believe that COVID is a hoax created by the New World Order sponsored by BIG COTTON to sell masks to everyone.

I believe that wearing a mask for more than 15 minutes a day boosts estrogen by 1000% and will turn men gay.

I believe that skywatch is actually a 63 year old woman who got bored with her local book club and decided to mix it up online.

And no one can prove it differently.

Desdi 04-19-2021 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by 400000Dead (Post 3223775)
You idiots have destroyed truth. Expertise doesn't matter. Facts don't matter. Only preconceived opinions matter and here's my "study" written on a bar napkin to prove it.

I believe that every opposing opinion on this forum is written by a singular, super hacker troll and that none of it is real.

I believe that COVID is a hoax created by the New World Order sponsored by BIG COTTON to sell masks to everyone.

I believe that wearing a mask for more than 15 minutes a day boosts estrogen by 1000% and will turn men gay.

I believe that skywatch is actually a 63 year old women who got bored with her local book club and decided to mix it up online.

And no one can prove it differently.

Time to take a break 400, I mean it sincerely. You do realize when the history is written 1/2 of what you steadfastly believe will be proven wrong, just like the people with opposing opinions will also be proven wrong on half the crap they are spouting now. You are not immune to confirmation bias. Take a step back and try not to get wound up! Opinions are like *******s everyone has one and none of us are medical professionals. Your opinion is given the commensurate level of respect in as far as your ability to respect others’ opinions. Consequently try not to add an insult on every post and people might take you and debate with you more seriously.

Andy Dufresne 04-19-2021 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by 400000Dead (Post 3223775)
You idiots have destroyed truth. Expertise doesn't matter. Facts don't matter. Only preconceived opinions matter and here's my "study" written on a bar napkin to prove it.

I believe that every opposing opinion on this forum is written by a singular, super hacker troll and that none of it is real.

I believe that COVID is a hoax created by the New World Order sponsored by BIG COTTON to sell masks to everyone.

I believe that wearing a mask for more than 15 minutes a day boosts estrogen by 1000% and will turn men gay.

I believe that skywatch is actually a 63 year old women who got bored with her local book club and decided to mix it up online.

And no one can prove it differently.


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Regularguy 04-19-2021 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by 400000Dead (Post 3223775)
You idiots have destroyed truth. Expertise doesn't matter. Facts don't matter. Only preconceived opinions matter and here's my "study" written on a bar napkin to prove it.

I believe that every opposing opinion on this forum is written by a singular, super hacker troll and that none of it is real.

I believe that COVID is a hoax created by the New World Order sponsored by BIG COTTON to sell masks to everyone.

I believe that wearing a mask for more than 15 minutes a day boosts estrogen by 1000% and will turn men gay.

I believe that skywatch is actually a 63 year old woman who got bored with her local book club and decided to mix it up online.

And no one can prove it differently.

Why is it you have been censored on this blog more than once? Something you have personally admitted to.

I also might ask you to reflect on what is known as the 80/20 generalization rule. Also consider the argument of “facts over opinions” and just maybe you will begin to understand, as many are discovering to their dismay, most things are NOT fact driven.

400000Dead 04-19-2021 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by Desdi (Post 3223781)
Time to take a break 400, I mean it sincerely. You do realize when the history is written 1/2 of what you steadfastly believe will be proven wrong, just like the people with opposing opinions will also be proven wrong on half the crap they are spouting now. You are not immune to confirmation bias. Take a step back and try not to get wound up! Opinions are like *******s everyone has one and none of us are medical professionals. Your opinion is given the commensurate level of respect in as far as your ability to respect others’ opinions. Consequently try not to add an insult on every post and people might take you and debate with you more seriously.

You think I'm wound up when I'm just parodying the usual voices on this forum...

How telling.

Desdi 04-19-2021 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by 400000Dead (Post 3223813)
You think I'm wound up when I'm just parodying the usual voices on this forum...

How telling.

How telling? Can you post anything without being condescending? Always on hair trigger to attack 🤦🏼‍♂️ This is why folks on here try to trigger you and don’t take you seriously! It’s not your opinion it’s your delivery.... try being more like Knobcrk!

Grumpyaviator 04-19-2021 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer;[url=tel:3223627
3223627[/url]]Driving down the Merritt in CT last week, come to blockade of slow traffic. Eventually, we all get by this left lane bandit doing 54 mph, driving a Tesla, double-masked, all alone. Told me all I needed to know about COVID-fearing, climate activists preaching safetyism.

More virtue signaling than fear. He’s clearly more socially superior than all the maskless losers in gas guzzlers.

Btw, there’s a reason he’s alone. They can only stand each other at a rally or some kind of “peaceful protest”.


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