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Old 05-19-2021, 10:45 AM
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tel:3237169]3237169]Semantics[/url]. From law.com:

regulationsn. rules and administrative codes issued by governmental agencies at all levels, municipal, county, state and federal. Although they are not laws, regulations have the force of law, since they are adopted under authority granted by statutes, and often include penalties for violations. One problem is that regulations are not generally included in volumes containing state statutes or federal laws but often must be obtained from the agency or located in volumes in law libraries and not widely distributed. The regulation-making process involves hearings, publication in governmental journals which supposedly give public notice, and adoption by the agency. The process is best known to industries and special interests concerned with the subject matter, but only occasionally to the general public. Federal regulations are adopted in the manner designated in the Administrative Procedure Act (A.P.A.) and states usually have similar procedures.

The FAA has exclusive executive authority to regulate aviation activities and proscribe regulations that accomplish that. Just because there is no jail time doesn’t lessen the ability of the FAA to regulate that activity either.
Yes, the FAA has regulatory authority and can impose fines. Regulations have the FORCE of law but there is no arrest authority or court proceeding either, and LE doesn’t enforce them as laws, only to assist and protect regulators if appropriate. As your reference mentions, they have the force of law, but are not enforced in the same manner as laws and don’t provide the same civil rights as laws, ie 4th amendment protection and a jury of your peers.
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Old 05-19-2021, 10:48 AM
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A little civics refresher...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FFroMQlKiag
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Old 05-19-2021, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 100LL View Post
If a crew member told you to drink a mysterious blue drink from a water bottle in an effort to make the skies “safer” would you do it?
No. I'm in front of the locked door. But feel free.
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Old 05-19-2021, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator View Post
A little civics refresher...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FFroMQlKiag
That has no bearing on reality. The beltway bandit writes the company's desired language on something important to them and gives it to the house member that's in their pocket and he rams it through as a rider to a 10,000 page spending package that no one reads anymore.
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator View Post
Yes, the FAA has regulatory authority and can impose fines. Regulations have the FORCE of law but there is no arrest authority or court proceeding either, and LE doesn’t enforce them as laws, only to assist and protect regulators if appropriate. As your reference mentions, they have the force of law, but are not enforced in the same manner as laws and don’t provide the same civil rights as laws, ie 4th amendment protection and a jury of your peers.
And refer to the definition of SEMANTICS. "It's not a law but it has the force of a law." If I smack you in the balls with a bat, it has the "force" of a kick in the balls. How about we just avoid bats and kicks?
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Just because a President says it, doesn't mean it is a lawful order.
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Old 05-19-2021, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by hvydvr;[url=tel:3237237
3237237[/url]]That has no bearing on reality. The beltway bandit writes the company's desired language on something important to them and gives it to the house member that's in their pocket and he rams it through as a rider to a 10,000 page spending package that no one reads anymore.

true, it’s sad we learned more watching cartoons than kids later learn in school.
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Just because a President says it, doesn't mean it is a lawful order.
only if that president is trump, then it’s gospel.
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Originally Posted by avi8er View Post
only if that president is trump, then it’s gospel.
So does that mean I can safely ignore any order signed by any other President, past or current?
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Originally Posted by ugleeual View Post
United inflight announcement says “federal law” requires mask wearing... of course that is not correct.
It is federal law that the instructions of the flight and cabin crew must be complied with.
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