Natural Immunity vs Vaccine:
11-30-2021, 10:16 AM
#541
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I am sufficiently confident in natural immunity that I'm skipping the booster for about a year, since we got covid right about when we should have gotten the booster.
Presumably know more a year from now.
Presumably know more a year from now.
11-30-2021, 02:26 PM
#542
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
The original SARS1 infected are still immune 18 years later.
11-30-2021, 03:15 PM
#543
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
What are you going to do if mandates are found lawful and enforced?
Additional blow to the mandate makers
US Appeals Court Affirms [Hold on] Mandate
12-15-2021, 07:55 AM
#545
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VAERS deaths undercounted by 20 times
Columbia University study. Report just released.
Link here:
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...mortality_risk
Just click the "X" for the "join for free" prompt and you get access.
Abstract:
Accurate estimates of COVID vaccine-induced severe adverse event and death rates are critical for risk-benefit ratio analyses of vaccination and boosters against SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus in different age groups. However, existing surveillance studies are not designed to reliably estimate life-threatening event or vaccine-induced fatality rates (VFR). Here, regional variation in vaccination rates was used to predict all-cause mortality and non-COVID deaths in subsequent time periods using two independent, publicly available datasets from the US and Europe (month-and week-level resolutions, respectively).
Vaccination correlated negatively with mortality 6-20 weeks post-injection, while vaccination predicted all-cause mortality 0-5 weeks post-injection in almost all age groups and with an age-related temporal pattern consistent with the US vaccine rollout. Results from fitted regression slopes (p<0.05 FDR corrected) suggest a US national average VFR of 0.04% and higher VFR with age (VFR=0.004% in ages 0-17 increasing to 0.06% in ages >75 years), and 146K to 187K vaccine-associated US deaths between February and August, 2021. Notably, adult vaccination increased ulterior mortality of unvaccinated young (<18, US; <15, Europe).
Comparing our estimate with the CDC-reported VFR (0.002%) suggests VAERS deaths are underreported by a factor of 20, consistent with known VAERS under-ascertainment bias. Comparing our age-stratified VFRs with published age-stratified coronavirus infection fatality rates (IFR) suggests the risks of COVID vaccines and boosters outweigh the benefits in children, young adults and older adults with low occupational risk or previous coronavirus exposure. We discuss implications for public health policies related to boosters, school and workplace mandates, and the urgent need to identify, develop and disseminate diagnostics and treatments for life-altering vaccine injuries.
Feel sorry for you that took this [vaccine] without sufficient and reasonable science being performed. Good luck.
Link here:
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...mortality_risk
Just click the "X" for the "join for free" prompt and you get access.
Abstract:
Accurate estimates of COVID vaccine-induced severe adverse event and death rates are critical for risk-benefit ratio analyses of vaccination and boosters against SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus in different age groups. However, existing surveillance studies are not designed to reliably estimate life-threatening event or vaccine-induced fatality rates (VFR). Here, regional variation in vaccination rates was used to predict all-cause mortality and non-COVID deaths in subsequent time periods using two independent, publicly available datasets from the US and Europe (month-and week-level resolutions, respectively).
Vaccination correlated negatively with mortality 6-20 weeks post-injection, while vaccination predicted all-cause mortality 0-5 weeks post-injection in almost all age groups and with an age-related temporal pattern consistent with the US vaccine rollout. Results from fitted regression slopes (p<0.05 FDR corrected) suggest a US national average VFR of 0.04% and higher VFR with age (VFR=0.004% in ages 0-17 increasing to 0.06% in ages >75 years), and 146K to 187K vaccine-associated US deaths between February and August, 2021. Notably, adult vaccination increased ulterior mortality of unvaccinated young (<18, US; <15, Europe).
Comparing our estimate with the CDC-reported VFR (0.002%) suggests VAERS deaths are underreported by a factor of 20, consistent with known VAERS under-ascertainment bias. Comparing our age-stratified VFRs with published age-stratified coronavirus infection fatality rates (IFR) suggests the risks of COVID vaccines and boosters outweigh the benefits in children, young adults and older adults with low occupational risk or previous coronavirus exposure. We discuss implications for public health policies related to boosters, school and workplace mandates, and the urgent need to identify, develop and disseminate diagnostics and treatments for life-altering vaccine injuries.
Feel sorry for you that took this [vaccine] without sufficient and reasonable science being performed. Good luck.
Last edited by rickair7777; 12-15-2021 at 08:02 AM. Reason: Remove inflammatory reference
12-15-2021, 08:19 AM
#546
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Originally Posted by Drum
Columbia University study. Report just released.
Link here:
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...mortality_risk
Just click the "X" for the "join for free" prompt and you get access.
Abstract:
Accurate estimates of COVID vaccine-induced severe adverse event and death rates are critical for risk-benefit ratio analyses of vaccination and boosters against SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus in different age groups. However, existing surveillance studies are not designed to reliably estimate life-threatening event or vaccine-induced fatality rates (VFR). Here, regional variation in vaccination rates was used to predict all-cause mortality and non-COVID deaths in subsequent time periods using two independent, publicly available datasets from the US and Europe (month-and week-level resolutions, respectively).
Vaccination correlated negatively with mortality 6-20 weeks post-injection, while vaccination predicted all-cause mortality 0-5 weeks post-injection in almost all age groups and with an age-related temporal pattern consistent with the US vaccine rollout. Results from fitted regression slopes (p<0.05 FDR corrected) suggest a US national average VFR of 0.04% and higher VFR with age (VFR=0.004% in ages 0-17 increasing to 0.06% in ages >75 years), and 146K to 187K vaccine-associated US deaths between February and August, 2021. Notably, adult vaccination increased ulterior mortality of unvaccinated young (<18, US; <15, Europe).
Comparing our estimate with the CDC-reported VFR (0.002%) suggests VAERS deaths are underreported by a factor of 20, consistent with known VAERS under-ascertainment bias. Comparing our age-stratified VFRs with published age-stratified coronavirus infection fatality rates (IFR) suggests the risks of COVID vaccines and boosters outweigh the benefits in children, young adults and older adults with low occupational risk or previous coronavirus exposure. We discuss implications for public health policies related to boosters, school and workplace mandates, and the urgent need to identify, develop and disseminate diagnostics and treatments for life-altering vaccine injuries.
Feel sorry for you that took this [vaccine] without sufficient and reasonable science being performed. Good luck.
Link here:
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...mortality_risk
Just click the "X" for the "join for free" prompt and you get access.
Abstract:
Accurate estimates of COVID vaccine-induced severe adverse event and death rates are critical for risk-benefit ratio analyses of vaccination and boosters against SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus in different age groups. However, existing surveillance studies are not designed to reliably estimate life-threatening event or vaccine-induced fatality rates (VFR). Here, regional variation in vaccination rates was used to predict all-cause mortality and non-COVID deaths in subsequent time periods using two independent, publicly available datasets from the US and Europe (month-and week-level resolutions, respectively).
Vaccination correlated negatively with mortality 6-20 weeks post-injection, while vaccination predicted all-cause mortality 0-5 weeks post-injection in almost all age groups and with an age-related temporal pattern consistent with the US vaccine rollout. Results from fitted regression slopes (p<0.05 FDR corrected) suggest a US national average VFR of 0.04% and higher VFR with age (VFR=0.004% in ages 0-17 increasing to 0.06% in ages >75 years), and 146K to 187K vaccine-associated US deaths between February and August, 2021. Notably, adult vaccination increased ulterior mortality of unvaccinated young (<18, US; <15, Europe).
Comparing our estimate with the CDC-reported VFR (0.002%) suggests VAERS deaths are underreported by a factor of 20, consistent with known VAERS under-ascertainment bias. Comparing our age-stratified VFRs with published age-stratified coronavirus infection fatality rates (IFR) suggests the risks of COVID vaccines and boosters outweigh the benefits in children, young adults and older adults with low occupational risk or previous coronavirus exposure. We discuss implications for public health policies related to boosters, school and workplace mandates, and the urgent need to identify, develop and disseminate diagnostics and treatments for life-altering vaccine injuries.
Feel sorry for you that took this [vaccine] without sufficient and reasonable science being performed. Good luck.
Also apples to oranges... no apparent controls for social factors, ie vaccinated people change their behavior, get out and about and are more subject to vehicle accidents, etc. That would align with age, since younger people didn't change their behavior in the first place as much as at-risk older demographics. That also checks with VAERS "under-reporting... somebody dies in a car wreck, or a slip-n-fall, that's probably not going to make it into VAERS
12-15-2021, 10:00 AM
#547
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
If there's anything to this, it should get looked at by others fairly quickly
the lab leak theory? Treatment plans that don’t include fancy new drugs? Certainly not these two, for starters. Science is dead, replaced by agenda driven religion.
seriously, man.
12-15-2021, 10:11 AM
#548
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Originally Posted by skywatch
What on earth has happened in the last two years to lead you to believe that anything that remotely contradicts the accepted dogma (“the vaccines are safe and effective”) will be looked at quickly?
the lab leak theory? Treatment plans that don’t include fancy new drugs? Certainly not these two, for starters. Science is dead, replaced by agenda driven religion.
seriously, man.
the lab leak theory? Treatment plans that don’t include fancy new drugs? Certainly not these two, for starters. Science is dead, replaced by agenda driven religion.
seriously, man.
12-15-2021, 10:33 AM
#549
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Originally Posted by skywatch
What on earth has happened in the last two years to lead you to believe that anything that remotely contradicts the accepted dogma (“the vaccines are safe and effective”) will be looked at quickly?
the lab leak theory? Treatment plans that don’t include fancy new drugs? Certainly not these two, for starters. Science is dead, replaced by agenda driven religion.
seriously, man.
the lab leak theory? Treatment plans that don’t include fancy new drugs? Certainly not these two, for starters. Science is dead, replaced by agenda driven religion.
seriously, man.
12-15-2021, 11:00 AM
#550
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The FDA publicly arguing in court that they will need 75 YEARS to fully release the redacted Pfizer trial documents submitted to the FDA for approval is not encouraging, nor does it elicit trust.
Quite the opposite.
It's a giant "FU, we know what's best for you, peasant".
(Of course, in theory, Congress could probably overrule this. Or the executive branch. I'm not holding my breath)
Quite the opposite.
It's a giant "FU, we know what's best for you, peasant".
(Of course, in theory, Congress could probably overrule this. Or the executive branch. I'm not holding my breath)
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