NIH: No Lockdowns, Possible Vax Mandates
09-16-2021, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by DropTank
Nurses to don't follow science don't really contribute.
We're better off without them.
We're better off without them.
We’d be better off without them.
09-16-2021, 02:48 PM
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Thank goodness they are not mandating Chantix.
Chantix. the anti-smoking, FDA approved drug made by - you guessed it - Pfizer has been recalled due to a carcinogen presence.
https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...ce-2021-09-16/
Not putting their, or any vid jab in my body. Not now. Not ever.
Chantix. the anti-smoking, FDA approved drug made by - you guessed it - Pfizer has been recalled due to a carcinogen presence.
https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...ce-2021-09-16/
Not putting their, or any vid jab in my body. Not now. Not ever.
09-16-2021, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
The famous "three generations of imbeciles are enough" case is an interesting piece of American Arcana, spouted by the same justice who famously wrote about "shouting fire in a crowded theatre". Pithy quotes, Mr. Holmes, but simply awful constitutional law. The first gave us eugenics in America, the second was a later overturned free speech case that initially allowed the federal government to prosecute people who handed out flyers protesting conscription (WWI) under the federal Espionage Act.
Smart, powerful people can embrace very dumb, very dangerous ideas that encroach on individual liberties under the flag of what's for the "greater good". Our elites are VERY smart and highly credentialed, but they are not gods; the US still has the forms of a republic; a mere regulatory agency (OSHA) imposing it's will on 80+ million Americans will ruffle feathers.
This could very well lead to a Congressional mandate, which is probably completely legal. One political party will own it, however; not sure if they're up to the task.
Smart, powerful people can embrace very dumb, very dangerous ideas that encroach on individual liberties under the flag of what's for the "greater good". Our elites are VERY smart and highly credentialed, but they are not gods; the US still has the forms of a republic; a mere regulatory agency (OSHA) imposing it's will on 80+ million Americans will ruffle feathers.
This could very well lead to a Congressional mandate, which is probably completely legal. One political party will own it, however; not sure if they're up to the task.
It was sort of a model for the sit-ins they did to dramatize the stupidity of ‘colored’ bathrooms and water fountains and ‘back of the bus’ regulations during the civil disobedience days of the civil rights movement. Make penalties too small, and there was no real deterrent effect and you lost money on every case you prosecuted. Make penalties too big and you not only lost in the court of public opinion, you couldn’t get jurors to actually convict.
As for getting OSHA to enforce this, I think OSHA has about 2000 inspectors nationwide, ostensibly already doing other important stuff. Getting them spun up to enforce a regulation on 100 million people every six months, ASSUMING THEY ACTUALLY GET THE RULE WRITTEN, ought to be…interesting.
09-16-2021, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Completely legal and enforceable are not necessarily members of the same set. Prohibition was completely legal - backed up by a constitutional amendment passed by an overwhelming bipartisan super majority both in Congress and in the state legislatures. But most people caught breaking it were never brought to trial and of those who were, 60% of trials lead to acquittals and/or hung juries, even when the perpetrator was unequivocally guilty of the crime with which they were charged.
It was sort of a model for the sit-ins they did to dramatize the stupidity of ‘colored’ bathrooms and water fountains and ‘back of the bus’ regulations during the civil disobedience days of the civil rights movement. Make penalties too small, and there was no real deterrent effect and you lost money on every case you prosecuted. Make penalties too big and you not only lost in the court of public opinion, you couldn’t get jurors to actually convict.
As for getting OSHA to enforce this, I think OSHA has about 2000 inspectors nationwide, ostensibly already doing other important stuff. Getting them spun up to enforce a regulation on 100 million people every six months, ASSUMING THEY ACTUALLY GET THE RULE WRITTEN, ought to be…interesting.
It was sort of a model for the sit-ins they did to dramatize the stupidity of ‘colored’ bathrooms and water fountains and ‘back of the bus’ regulations during the civil disobedience days of the civil rights movement. Make penalties too small, and there was no real deterrent effect and you lost money on every case you prosecuted. Make penalties too big and you not only lost in the court of public opinion, you couldn’t get jurors to actually convict.
As for getting OSHA to enforce this, I think OSHA has about 2000 inspectors nationwide, ostensibly already doing other important stuff. Getting them spun up to enforce a regulation on 100 million people every six months, ASSUMING THEY ACTUALLY GET THE RULE WRITTEN, ought to be…interesting.
This is a bluff. They haven't even started on the ERS.
OSHA be looking like the RCA dog when this came out. Blindsided them.
09-17-2021, 08:35 AM
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24 States' AG Defiance to OSHA mandate
Published yesterday. 24 States' AG against the mandate. GA being one of them and GA being the HQ of a certain major airline.
This is original .pdf. Not giving Scribd the clicks.
https://ago.wv.gov/Documents/AGs'%20...056xD2C78).PDF
They present a pretty good case.
This is original .pdf. Not giving Scribd the clicks.
https://ago.wv.gov/Documents/AGs'%20...056xD2C78).PDF
They present a pretty good case.
09-17-2021, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Drum
OSHA has 800 inspectors to go after 100k+ businesses
This is a bluff. They haven't even started on the ERS.
OSHA be looking like the RCA dog when this came out. Blindsided them.
This is a bluff. They haven't even started on the ERS.
OSHA be looking like the RCA dog when this came out. Blindsided them.
09-17-2021, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
The majority of businesses actually appear to be happy with the mandate... gives them the excuse to crack down and eliminate liability, along with most covid-induced absenteeism and operational disruption.
The majority of businesses are small business, not fortune 500.
They are most certainly not happy about this.
However it is a nothing burger right now cause OSHA hasn't published a single word.
09-17-2021, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
The majority of businesses actually appear to be happy with the mandate... gives them the excuse to crack down and eliminate liability, along with most covid-induced absenteeism and operational disruption.
I can’t say that most business owners that this will affect disagree with it, because I don’t know all of them….but I will say that all of the business owners I KNOW that this will affect disagree with it.
One has already started transferring some of his business, and soon employees, to another “company” he owns to drop the main one under 100. Another that is at around 120 employees has started taking a walk around the parking lot to see who has Biden bumper stickers in case he needs to get under 100…
09-23-2021, 01:43 PM
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The antivaxxers may not be just who you think they are…
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Ira L. Black – Corbis/Getty ImagesThe co-founder of a Black Lives Matter group in New York warned of an “uprising” similar to the George Floyd protests last year over vaccination requirements.
Chivona Newsome, an organizer with Black Lives Matter of Greater New York, led a protest on Monday at Carmine’s Italian Restaurant in New York City after a hostess denied entry to three black women last week because they would not provide proof of vaccination. The women, tourists from Texas, allegedly attacked the hostess and were arrested on charges of assault and criminal mischief.
“Seventy-two percent of black people in this city from ages 18 to 44 are unvaccinated,” Newsome said during the protest at Carmine’s, according to The Washington Examiner. “So what is going to stop the Gestapo, I mean the NYPD, from rounding up black people, from snatching them off the train, off the bus?”
“We’re putting this city on notice that your mandate will not be another racist social distance practice. Black people are not going to stand by, or you will see another uprising. And that is not a threat. That is a promise,” she continued. “The vaccination passport is not a free passport to racism.”
Black Women’s March co-founder Kimberly Bernard added, “We are serving notice on the mayor, on the governor, on the restaurant industry that we will not allow for you to use this pandemic, vaccination cards, and masks as another reason to be racist, to put us in prison — because there’s enough of us in there.”
New York BLM Leader Promises National ‘Uprising’ Over ‘Racist’ Vaccine Mandates
By Tim PearceSep 23, 2021 DailyWire.com
Ira L. Black – Corbis/Getty ImagesThe co-founder of a Black Lives Matter group in New York warned of an “uprising” similar to the George Floyd protests last year over vaccination requirements.Chivona Newsome, an organizer with Black Lives Matter of Greater New York, led a protest on Monday at Carmine’s Italian Restaurant in New York City after a hostess denied entry to three black women last week because they would not provide proof of vaccination. The women, tourists from Texas, allegedly attacked the hostess and were arrested on charges of assault and criminal mischief.
“Seventy-two percent of black people in this city from ages 18 to 44 are unvaccinated,” Newsome said during the protest at Carmine’s, according to The Washington Examiner. “So what is going to stop the Gestapo, I mean the NYPD, from rounding up black people, from snatching them off the train, off the bus?”
“We’re putting this city on notice that your mandate will not be another racist social distance practice. Black people are not going to stand by, or you will see another uprising. And that is not a threat. That is a promise,” she continued. “The vaccination passport is not a free passport to racism.”
Black Women’s March co-founder Kimberly Bernard added, “We are serving notice on the mayor, on the governor, on the restaurant industry that we will not allow for you to use this pandemic, vaccination cards, and masks as another reason to be racist, to put us in prison — because there’s enough of us in there.”
09-23-2021, 04:54 PM
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If vaccine passports are made mandatory for normal human rights (travel, work, shopping, etc), you can be certain that they’ll be applied equally to everyone.
(Some may be more equal than others, however).
(Some may be more equal than others, however).
