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08-20-2021, 01:53 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
i presume you get boosters every ten years for yellow fever, tetanus, flu.
08-20-2021, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
i presume you get boosters every ten years for yellow fever, tetanus, flu.
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08-20-2021, 05:46 PM
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https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...mic-even-worse
In September, the U.S. will start offering a third COVID-19 shot to all adults vaccinated with Pfizer and Moderna, even though these vaccines still offer high protection against hospitalization and death from the delta variant.
"I'm afraid that this [booster recommendation] will only lead to more variants. ... And perhaps we're heading into an even more dire situation," WHO chief scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan said.
The problem with a call for boosters, she said, is that the virus is primarily circulating in unvaccinated people — not in the fully vaccinated.
CORONAVIRUS UPDATES
COVID-19 Booster Shots Will Roll Out In September In The U.S.
Officials at the World Health Organization said Wednesday that it strongly opposes booster shots for all adults in rich countries because the boosters will not help slow down the pandemic. By diverting doses away from unvaccinated people, booster shots will help drive the emergence of more dangerous mutants, the WHO doctors said."I'm afraid that this [booster recommendation] will only lead to more variants. ... And perhaps we're heading into an even more dire situation," WHO chief scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan said.
The problem with a call for boosters, she said, is that the virus is primarily circulating in unvaccinated people — not in the fully vaccinated.
08-21-2021, 01:07 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...ugh-cases.html
As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance.
08-21-2021, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by HIFLYR
Only the proven tetanus shot, you are comparing proven vaccinations to unproven! No I did not agree to become a human test subject, you guys crack me up all eager to do whatever the government tells you to do.
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While I loath wikipedia this link has a lot of info on why you should not just trust the government talking head
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethi..._United_States
Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment
While I loath wikipedia this link has a lot of info on why you should not just trust the government talking head
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethi..._United_States
08-22-2021, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
I’m hugely skeptical of anything the government puts out, Trump or Biden extremes, they’re all garbage. I thought out the risks and decided some protection was better than none. Half a billion shots and it’s gonna be fully approved next week. What’s your idea then?
08-22-2021, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Yes. But in real-world application there's a balance/trade-off between antibody and memory cell titers. Observing the chemistry in the lab doesn't tell you how that will play out in the real world.
It's playing out as we speak, but I haven't seen anything indicating that vaccine efficacy against infection is waning due to dropping antibody levels. It most likely will eventually, but are we there yet? The large stage-3 trails from last year are still running, you'd think they'd be seeing something by now in those groups?
Jumping the gun on boosters will be very expensive (and profitable to the right people), and is not absolutely zero-risk. Although the risk from boosters is pretty low since the population by definition has already tolerated the vaccine in question once or twice.
It's playing out as we speak, but I haven't seen anything indicating that vaccine efficacy against infection is waning due to dropping antibody levels. It most likely will eventually, but are we there yet? The large stage-3 trails from last year are still running, you'd think they'd be seeing something by now in those groups?
Jumping the gun on boosters will be very expensive (and profitable to the right people), and is not absolutely zero-risk. Although the risk from boosters is pretty low since the population by definition has already tolerated the vaccine in question once or twice.
08-22-2021, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by T1000
you will get covid vaxxed or not. And you will spread it.
08-22-2021, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Statistically, much less likely and less severe. The number of vaccinated in ICU or, even hospitalized is pretty low.
So then, if this is the proof- among other proof- that the vax is highly effective....why do some of us panic endlessly and support making binding policy about what the unvaccinated are doing? That's on them, and frankly a lot unvaccinated already had a dance with the 'rona before.
