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Old 08-17-2021, 06:57 PM
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The World Health Organization (WHO) has called for a halt to booster shots in wealthy nations, at least through September, as poor countries struggle with access to vaccines.

WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus earlier this month said richer countries have administered about 100 doses of coronavirus vaccines for every 100 people on average, while low-income countries — hampered by short supplies — have provided only about 1.5 doses per 100 people.

"We cannot, and we should not, accept countries that have already used most of the global supply of vaccines using even more of it, while the world’s most vulnerable people remain unprotected," Tedros said
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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast View Post
They start to harm your immune system the more you take.
I still think I’ll keep my tetanus shots up to date just the same.

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They start to harm your immune system the more you take.
Science, right here.

not. You just made sh*t up.
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Good thing the WHO doesn't have jurisdiction here.
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I struggle with the logic of boosters (except for the immunocompromised and those 70+ years old) AT THIS TIME, especially when there's probably a couple billion people around the world that would like to be vaccinated but don't yet have that option.

Boosters are a better use for vaccine that has already been acquired and would otherwise expire/be discarded, but short of that and given how most breakthrough infections are extremely mild (other than in the aforementioned immunocompromised and 70YO+) doesn't seem like the most prudent use of scarce resources.
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Old 08-18-2021, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast View Post
They start to harm your immune system the more you take.

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Old 08-18-2021, 12:11 PM
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I struggle with the logic of boosters (except for the immunocompromised and those 70+ years old) AT THIS TIME, especially when there's probably a couple billion people around the world that would like to be vaccinated but don't yet have that option.

Boosters are a better use for vaccine that has already been acquired and would otherwise expire/be discarded, but short of that and given how most breakthrough infections are extremely mild (other than in the aforementioned immunocompromised and 70YO+) doesn't seem like the most prudent use of scarce resources.
I haven't seen any definitive data that we need boosters this soon. Yeah, yeah the mfgs observed some drop off in lab titers but that doesn't automatically correlate to real world efficacy... and mfgs have an incentive to encourage boosters.
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Old 08-18-2021, 12:43 PM
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I haven't seen any definitive data that we need boosters this soon. Yeah, yeah the mfgs observed some drop off in lab titers but that doesn't automatically correlate to real world efficacy... and mfgs have an incentive to encourage boosters.
I think the issue is between relatively short-lived (6-9 months) circulating neutralizing antibodies, which if high enough will decrease the likelihood of someone getting infected and activated T-cells which are longer lasting and will decrease the likelihood of you having serious consequences if they do get infected.

For those still believing it is possible to eliminate circulating COVID 19 from the environment (and those selling booster shots) the desired outcome is frequent booster shots.

For those believing that COVID-19 will ultimately circulate like the other four common human corona viruses that pretty much ch just cause colds in those previously exposed to them, the objective is to just get everyone with activated t-cells, one way or another and get on with life, well they see things a little different.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
I haven't seen any definitive data that we need boosters this soon. Yeah, yeah the mfgs observed some drop off in lab titers but that doesn't automatically correlate to real world efficacy... and mfgs have an incentive to encourage boosters.
it is quite shocking that these various organizations haven’t consulted with you? Not sure why they chose not to..
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Old 08-18-2021, 01:19 PM
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it is quite shocking that these various organizations haven’t consulted with you? Not sure why they chose not to..
Any significant info related to covid is all over the media (in some cases specialty science/industry journals). None of it is secret, or can be kept secret if somebody wants to sell vast quantities of pharma.

I have relevant professional experience from a previous life so I do know where to look.

So anyhow, where did YOU find the data on real-world loss of efficacy inside of 12 months? I'd love to see any reputable source for that.
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