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Old 09-09-2021, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver View Post
No, the vast majority of people taking this medication are taking the HUMAN pharmaceutical, in an appropriate dosage for HUMANS, based on mounting evidence that early use improves Covid outcomes in HUMANS. There are some knuckleheads so desperate to get their hands on the medication that they seek it out in a form designed for livestock. Not smart. Especially when the correct form of the medication is fairly accessible. But then again, there are also people who don't believe in the obvious cognitive decline of certain prominent individuals.

The "horse de-wormer" narrative has been thrown at ANYONE taking ANY FORM of the medication in order to delegitimize any course of treatment that avoids the cult of the vaccine.
"Mounting Evidence"

The detractors say "neigh" but you guys saddle up with your Don Quixote like veracity that should have been sent to pasture.
So bridle your anger, and try to remain stable.
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Old 09-10-2021, 03:38 AM
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"Mounting Evidence"

The detractors say "neigh" but you guys saddle up with your Don Quixote like veracity that should have been sent to pasture.
So bridle your anger, and try to remain stable.
well, if you can’t be right, be clever…appreciate the dad jokes, always! Seriously!
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Old 09-11-2021, 07:57 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bFguCdJfLA
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My experience with US Civil Service employees lead me to doubt that. While in the military I once witnessed the firing of a GS-8. The woman was capable of doing her job, she simply didn’t want to do THAT job. She’d been a GS-9 in an organization on the other side of town which Congress in its infinite wisdom had decided to collocate with a similar organization 1300 mike’s away. But because she hadn’t wanted to relocate, she slid into the GS-9 slot when it came open. Except it was obvious from the start that she didn’t want to do it and she refused to do it, stating she was not yet appropriately trained for the job. The specific issue, I believe, was that she had been trained in WordPerfect version x.yz and her computer had WordPerfect x.yz+3 on it, a difference that it would have been really difficult for a non expert to even discern. My subordinate (she was ostensibly his secretary) was a persistent cuss, sending her off to WordPerfect class training, spending the requisite full year on a Performance Improvement Plan, and when after a year she still was refusing to work, starting the process of firing her. The package of documentation he sent me exceeded the weight of the woman.

Not having been born yesterday, I contacted the local EO office and had them investigate the subordinate organization, contacted the union shop steward and ask to have him to have anyone who had an opinion on this issue or wanted to support the woman to come and see me, and got an opinion from the base JAG on the legal sufficiency. Even the woman’s friends said she could do the work, just didn’t want to. In less than a month I approved the paperwork and it got sent forward.

It was about 15 months later that I testified in federal court as to the review I had done. After a three day trial the woman was officially fired by Civil Service. She had not, as far as anyone could tell, done any productive work for three years. The reviews (discriminated against due to race, gender, age) went on for another three years

From a recent Washington Post:

The first coronavirus plan for most federal employees, announced at the end of July, required employees to “attest” to their status and threatened discipline only if someone was discovered to have lied about their vaccination status. But little was done to push that plan along before Thursday’s was announced.

“The attestation [phase] failed,” said Jason Briefel, partner at Shaw Bransford & Roth, who represents several federal employee associations, including the Senior Executives Association, which represents about 1,700 career senior leaders in government. “There were templates, there was guidance, but it appears there’s a major disconnect between the center of government and [agencies’] ability to navigate this change on the ground.”

“We did not feel the ‘throw it over the fence to the agencies’ strategy was the right one,” Briefel said.

The Treasury Department, for example, planned to start testing only in mid-October, Hooper said. The White House budget office had promised agencies that it would provide access to a contractor, but not until late fall.

Most officials agree that a mandate will be more simple to implement than the earlier policy. But if the traditional system for punishing employees is used for those refusing vaccines, as Psaki suggested, another raft of complications would come into play.

The administration, in guidance to agencies sent in August after the first vaccine plan was announced, recommended that employees who refuse to get shots be placed on administrative leave, a form of paid time off used widely for short-term absences. It is also used when a manager proposed removing an employee, with final action within 30 days.

But in recent years, the policy was widely considered to have been abused by managers who wanted to sideline troublesome workers while misconduct or poor performance reports were adjudicated. Managers were often slow to respond to employees’ responses to proposed removals and to issue final removal notices, so the process dragged out.

Congress, intending to curb abuses, passed a law in late 2016 that severely restricted the use of paid leave. But the Office of Personnel Management did not issue regulations to implement it, so managers still have wide latitude to use paid leave for long periods.

The OPM rule book lists dozens of reasons for allowing paid leave, such as donating an organ, house-hunting before a job transfer and attending the funeral of a relative in the military. Some employees remain on paid leave while they challenge demotions and other punishments.

“What’s the incentive for someone to get vaccinated, who doesn’t want to do it, when they could get a paid vacation?” asked Todd Wells, executive director of the Federal Managers Association, which represents 200,000 managers and senior executives across the government, many in national security roles. He cited naval shipyards that rely on thousands of employees to maintain vessels round-the-clock.” We’re trying to literally keep the ships running and you’re saying, go home for a few months and take a vacation.”

Cathie McQuisten, deputy general counsel for the American Federation of Government Employees, the largest federal employee union with 700,000 members, said that employees were entitled to due process. She said she expects that any move to discipline or fire employees who do not comply with the mandate would not start until “day 76” of the grace period to get shots.

“My understanding is that before that, you’re not in violation,” she said
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You may think that because of the news you are watching or these forums, but most people realize that there is a difference. The fact remains, though, that people are taking medicines meant for livestock doses because they are unable to get them through a physician.
Most are actually getting it through a physician.
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Most are actually getting it through a physician.
So I am waiting for someone to claim those physicians should learn from someone who really knows something about science or medicine.

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Most are actually getting it through a physician.
Of course, no source for that info. I've read it's 75% from feed stores or farm supply store:

""Of the calls, 75% were from people who bought ivermectin from a feed store or farm supply store and treated themselves with the animal product," Webb said. The other 25% were people who had a prescription, she added. "

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...ontrol-centers
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Of course, no source for that info. I've read it's 75% from feed stores or farm supply store:

""Of the calls, 75% were from people who bought ivermectin from a feed store or farm supply store and treated themselves with the animal product," Webb said. The other 25% were people who had a prescription, she added. "

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...ontrol-centers
Is this the same NPR that ran a story recently that said a man with a heat attack died because he was denied treatment at 40+ hospitals because they were full of COVID patients? Because I can tell you right now, that never happened. It’s prima facia ridiculous.

Look, when I want to hear the latest transgressions against anything LGBTQ+, hone my “uptalk” skills, or revel in “vocal fry”, I dial in NPR as much as the next non cis gender being.

I say that with no malice, or sarcasm. Want right wing crazy? Fox News. Russia paranoia? MSNBC. Everything and how it relates to LGBTQ+? NPR.

They’re all parodies of their worst critics. Have been for years.
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Is this the same NPR that ran a story recently that said a man with a heat attack died because he was denied treatment at 40+ hospitals because they were full of COVID patients? Because I can tell you right now, that never happened. It’s prima facia ridiculous.
What I saw today regarding that story is that the guy went to an urgent/emergency care…they determined he was having a heart attack…treated him to the best of their abilities..and then CALLED 43 hospitals asking if they had an ICU/CCU bed available for him…to which 42 said no. He was then transported by air to the first one that said they did have a bed for him. He spent 2-3 days there before he passed away from serious heart issues.

It’s not quite the same story as they originally portrayed…
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Originally Posted by Tfork View Post
Of course, no source for that info. I've read it's 75% from feed stores or farm supply store:

""Of the calls, 75% were from people who bought ivermectin from a feed store or farm supply store and treated themselves with the animal product," Webb said. The other 25% were people who had a prescription, she added. "

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...ontrol-centers
what that says is that 75% of the calls to a poison control hotline were from people who bought ivermectin from a feed store and self prescribed. It does not say that 75% of people using ivermectin got it from a feed store. HUGE difference.
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