Merle Haggard

That was an excellent link with lots of good data. Solid explanation of the Israeli numbers. Did you actually read it?

US daily deaths as of 12 Sep 4.6 per million. Israel daily deaths, 2.89 per million.

Covid cases that don't result in hospitalization or death are the point of the vaccines.

Merle Haggard

Go back and read some Trump transcripts - you'll feel better about Biden's speeches.

“I see disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute, and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that. So you’re going to have to use medical doctors, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute, that’s pretty powerful.”

sleeves

I never said that the definition changed anything other then the definition! It clearly changes that. It, again proves you cannot read.

All opinions are created equal. We all get to decide FOR OURSELVES what we want to believe. Censorship is a very slippery slope. I certainly do not want the likes of you deciding what information I get to see.

I do agree that a lot of opinions are “bullish!t, crazy, or downright stupid”…but I think YOU should still be allowed to have those, which yours clearly are.

sleeves

Really what is your point with this quote. Trump rambles, he is just talking. He didn’t set policy by this. At least you knew what he was thinking and where he stood.

Biden reads prepared speeches, written by people behind the curtain. Who knows what he thinks, he rarely answers questions or gets off the prepared script.

AxlF16

Good luck in life. You're going to need it.

TrojanCMH

https://www.wired.com/story/better-d...ly-on-its-way/

Good article on the different trials going on searching for different covid therapies.

Thedude86

What you’re saying is common sense. The problem is all the restrictions we’ve put in place are based on cases. Deaths are irrelevant. Even when deaths were down earlier this year, the media and government officials kept saying, “cases, cases, cases!! ”.

And I thought the point of vaccines were also to prevent cases not just deaths. At least until 2020 that was the case. Your argument is basically… the vaccines prevent hospitalizations but don’t prevent infections. Generally with every other vaccine that’s ever existed… as more get vaccinated… the less that become infected.

Thedude86

Looks like that particular study was done by McMaster University and funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation. Interestingly, they come to the conclusion that it is unclear on the benefits of Ivermectin. It doesn’t say when they gave the patients Ivermectin… whether it was at first sign of symptoms or if the patients were already in the hospital. Looks like their phrase of “didnt help anyone OUT of the hospital”…leads me to believe these test subjects were already hospitalized. They also stopped testing after only 3 days. Doesn’t seem like they put much effort into it.

Meanwhile, that same exact university (McMaster) reports 2 other studies that do show significant results from Ivermectin use with Covid and they were tested up to 14 days. And as far as I can tell… these had no funding.
https://plus.mcmaster.ca/COVID-19/Ar...tails/33227231

https://plus.mcmaster.ca/COVID-19/Ar...3065?s=Twitter

Red Forman

Most are actually getting it through a physician.

TrojanCMH

Just an interesting article.

I have nothing against ivermectin. Once my doctor tells me he’s confident in ivermectin I’ll take his word for it.

But either way someone will always be able to find fault in any study or trial if that’s what you believe or your agenda is. There will never be a truly independent trial as someone will always have to pay for it.

Pharma backed trial = biased for profits.
Govt backed trial = biased for political reasons.
Rich guy/Bill Gates funded trial = he is crooked.
University trial = they’re in pharma’s or govt’s pockets.
Other country’s trial= their science is lagging or flawed.
Doctor tells you to get it = he’s a quack that doesn’t know anything.

See where I’m going? If you’ve made up your mind nothing will convince you otherwise as you’ll always find a flaw in the data presented. This goes both ways in regards to the pro vaccine vs the my choice crowds.

But either way I’m not buying that everyone (FDA/CDC/Universities/AMA/most other developed countries/etc…) are in on this big giant conspiracy to make us take these vaccines and ignore ivermectin and other therapeutics. Too many mouths to keep quiet and too many good people out there. If ivermectin was the miracle covid cure it would be out there and the majority of scientists and doctors would be pushing it much harder.

I’m against mandating the vaccines but I believe they work and I believe companies have a right to do it. I’m also not sold on invermectin.