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#101
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
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Back in 1905, a Lutheran minister in Massachusetts refused the smallpox vaccination because he felt like it abrogated his rights. His case went to the US Supreme Court. It has been cited as precedent supporting vaccine mandates in the 115 years since then. Here's part of what the Supreme Court had to say about his arguments regarding his liberty with respect to refusing a vaccination:
#102
Careful with that one. Politicians with no term limits is a horrible thing. In fact there's only one thing worse: unchecked, un-elected, and unaccountable bureaucrats.
Our government is so complex that with short term limits, elected officials would be locked out before they served enough time to have any experience, ie barely got their seat belts fastened. Then the bureaucrats would run amuck, even more than they already do.
I've worked enough in the beltway to know it for what it is. Career politicians are annoying and distasteful. Unchecked bureaucrats are scary... on the FBI side alone you could get a police state.
#103
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,842
Careful with that one. Politicians with no term limits is a horrible thing. In fact there's only one thing worse: unchecked, un-elected, and unaccountable bureaucrats.
Our government is so complex that with short term limits, elected officials would be locked out before they served enough time to have any experience, ie barely got their seat belts fastened. Then the bureaucrats would run amuck, even more than they already do.
I've worked enough in the beltway to know it for what it is. Career politicians are annoying and distasteful. Unchecked bureaucrats are scary... on the FBI side alone you could get a police state.
Our government is so complex that with short term limits, elected officials would be locked out before they served enough time to have any experience, ie barely got their seat belts fastened. Then the bureaucrats would run amuck, even more than they already do.
I've worked enough in the beltway to know it for what it is. Career politicians are annoying and distasteful. Unchecked bureaucrats are scary... on the FBI side alone you could get a police state.
#104
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,842
Back in 1905, a Lutheran minister in Massachusetts refused the smallpox vaccination because he felt like it abrogated his rights. His case went to the US Supreme Court. It has been cited as precedent supporting vaccine mandates in the 115 years since then. Here's part of what the Supreme Court had to say about his arguments regarding his liberty with respect to refusing a vaccination:
#105
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Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 10
AFAIK, US Supreme Court precedent applies nationally. State courts routinely cite US Supreme Court decisions. Roe v Wade, for example, was a US Supreme Court decision that struck down (generally) abortion laws nationwide. Various states have been trying to enact anti-abortion laws since then that attempt to circumvent or challenge Roe because the US Supreme Court precedent applies nationally. Roe has been the law of the land for almost 50 years. I personally hope that changes but it would require a new US Supreme Court decision overturning Roe or a new Constitutional amendment.
Supreme Court decisions don’t become stale beyond a certain expiration date. Besides, wasn’t the date of that decision regarding vaccines - 1905 - back when America was “great”? Aren’t we trying to get back to times like that?
#106
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
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Posts: 947
Plessy V. Ferguson was a Supreme Court decision. so was Dred Scott.
Buck v. Bell affirmed the right of the state to sterilize imbeciles. Is that one still a good precedent?
Supreme doesn't mean infallible.
Buck v. Bell affirmed the right of the state to sterilize imbeciles. Is that one still a good precedent?
Supreme doesn't mean infallible.
#107
Slightly off topic, the family doctor suggested I get the booster, so I did so yesterday. She suggested it due to working in close quarters, without being able to wear a mask, and with colleagues of varying levels of adherence to non-pharmaceutical interventions or vaccination it would be a good idea given the transmissibility of the Delta variant.
Made the appointment at CVS for 10am. My wife got one too. By about 8pm we had the familiar arm pain and kind of run down feeling. Slept ok, but this morning hurting a bit. Feels a little bit like I overdid it in a full body workout. Compared to the other two shots where I just had a headache and some fatigue for a day or so, side effects from this one are a little worse, but not debilitating.
Just figured I'd throw it out there in case anybody else is considering the 3rd dose.
Made the appointment at CVS for 10am. My wife got one too. By about 8pm we had the familiar arm pain and kind of run down feeling. Slept ok, but this morning hurting a bit. Feels a little bit like I overdid it in a full body workout. Compared to the other two shots where I just had a headache and some fatigue for a day or so, side effects from this one are a little worse, but not debilitating.
Just figured I'd throw it out there in case anybody else is considering the 3rd dose.
#110
Vaccination Participation Pay Program
Yeah you are both right.
Second shot was March 21. Doc said there was no way to know whether natural immunity from the ancestral strain would provide adequate protection from the Delta variant. She asked me some questions about the environment at work right now, and based on my answers she felt it was a good idea to get the third shot.
I know it sounds a little crazy but having Covid and being out for a while scared me and I didn't want to take a chance at getting it again. Wife got it due to a couple comorbidities. (Plus taking the kiddo to Disney in a few weeks and I'm sure they'll be tons of people there)
Second shot was March 21. Doc said there was no way to know whether natural immunity from the ancestral strain would provide adequate protection from the Delta variant. She asked me some questions about the environment at work right now, and based on my answers she felt it was a good idea to get the third shot.
I know it sounds a little crazy but having Covid and being out for a while scared me and I didn't want to take a chance at getting it again. Wife got it due to a couple comorbidities. (Plus taking the kiddo to Disney in a few weeks and I'm sure they'll be tons of people there)
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