Gordie H

​​​​​​I didn’t ask if you hate smoking. I asked if you’re ok breathing it in for long periods of time…because not all that long ago it was unavoidable.

I think you underestimate how bans, punitive taxes etc. personally affected chronic smokers. Remember, because of massive disinformation put out by tobacco companies at the time, smokers believed their habit was harmless.

Hospitals: the difference is covid randomly hits communities with no warning and saturates those hospital systems (affecting many more than just those with covid).

My main point is it’s difficult to function in today’s society as a chronic smoker and it’s becoming the same for those who refuse the shot…for somewhat similar reasons. And I’m not for any federal gov mandate (except for within their own agencies)…. unnecessary as vaccination was already happening on it’s own within the private sector.

Sorry for the late response...life

Thedude86

The people posting data about unvaxxed being 9x or whatever more likely to be hospitalized are using unreliable and completely outdated data. As the one CDC data point only goes to July.

First, the Atlantic (left leaning publication) estimates that up to 50% of Covid hospitalizations are completely unrelated to Covid. For example: broken legs, car accident, etc. As most hospitals will give any new patient a Covid test if they’re unvaccinated no matter what they come in for. If they test positive they then get counted as a Covid hospitalization… compared to vaccinated patients getting tested only if they come in specifically for Covid.

Second, this data is all also several months old. Fauci and Pfizer both admitted back in June that the vaccines wane much faster than anticipated. That was 6 months ago. Try to find the effectiveness of the vaccines now… that data either doesn’t exist or is being hidden. I will also suggest trying to find the safety data of the vaccines, but the FDA doesn’t want that released until the year 2076. Must be like super duper safe or something.

The only data we have is from the Swedish Ethical Review Authority, which is being submitted for peer review if it hasn’t been already. Their data is from nationwide registries of over 1.5 million. Not just a group of 10 or 20 patients…

92% effectiveness after 30 days.
47% after 121-180 days
0%! NO EFFECTIVENESS could be detected after 210 days. Zero. None.

In fact, after 210 days… if you’re between the ages of 50-64 the vaccines actually have a NEGATIVE 77% effectiveness. Soooo, unless you get your biannual booster for the rest of your life, you’re actually worse off getting vaccinated than not, if between ages 50-64. Not all bad news though… if you’re about to retire, the Pfizer vaccine is only negative 32% effective over age 65 after 210 days. Better not skip your boosters.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3949410

Don’t believe the paper? Look up current data on the vaccines in the U.S. Good luck. It doesn’t exist or it takes into account people going to the hospital for a broken leg or ingrown hair then testing positive. Just look at the data around the world… the highest vaccinated counties in the U.S., highest vaccinated states, and the highest vaccinated countries in the world almost are all having worse Covid numbers than their lower vaccinated counterparts. In fact, a month ago, we passed more deaths in 2021 than in 2020 when a grand total of ZERO people were vaccinated. Seems like the Swedish data is on par with the rest of the world. Either get your boosters for eternity… or you’re barely protected after 4 months and not protected at all after 7 months.

Tfork

I don't know your data is accurate...

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

skywatch

FWIW, I don’t think anything you posted in that link addresses the previous post. Your link is about fatalities and his is about cases, I think, so both are probably true?

skywatch

Not being able to smoke in public is not the same as losing your job. Not being able to smoke in a restaurant is not the same as not being able to go into a restaurant at all. I agree that the taxes, the information campaigns on smoking all had an effect in reducing the number of smokers. Great.

My larger point is simpler…we are insisting on draconian measures, making health choices from people, shutting down schools and businesses and destroying lives because of a virus that kills about as many people as smoking does. Yet as a society we don’t take a simple step and ban cigarettes. So which is more important, take away individual freedom like we do with Covid, or allow people to make their own bad choices like we do with smoking? I don’t see much difference.

one last point - the hospitals are frequently at full capacity, and frequently “overwhelmed” according to the media. Pick a year pre-pandemic and google (2018 hospitals overwhelmed) and you will find lots on it. Fact is none of the pandemic overflow hospitals that we spent $$$$ were ever used. Fact is hospitals are like airplane seats - unused seats don’t make money so they idea is to have as little extra capacity as you can at all times, which now causes some need to get creative with capacity.

dustrpilot

I’m in that 50-64 age range, so the way I read this my vaccine is probably gone by now, so I’m susceptible to infection
My question is if I get Covid now, will I then have natural immunity or has the vaccine altered my immune system to need a booster forever?


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cantflylist

I don't think this is some big Societal choice. Follow the money. Cigarette prices are well over $10 per pack, except in tobacco states. Tobacco companies gross revenue per pack is approx ONE DOLLAR. That is gross of income tax, but net of other downstream taxes. Tobacco margin is approx 25-35%.
So - cost $0.70 / pack. Philip Morris revenue, $1/pack.

Are you surprised the government does not want to ban cigarettes? Those pimps take 90% of the money off cigarette sales.

RI830

https://thehill.com/policy/internati...micron-variantFrom the land of covid-zero! Endless lockdowns and mandates aren’t working!

Flyfalcons

The old days of not having to wear an ineffective yet uncomfortable mask to ride on an airliner or go to a restaurant? Yes, yes I do.

Thedude86

Thats an interesting question. My guess is they probably know the answer but we’ll never see what that actually is. As I said earlier, the vaccines are so safe that the FDA doesn’t want us to know how safe they are until 2076…. when most of us would be dead anyway even if Covid never existed. I’m sure the drug makers and their spokesperson Dr. Fauci will say you need a booster forever regardless of what the data says.