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Excargodog 11-20-2021 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3325289)
The virus doesn't actually mutate that much, it just had a whole lot of opportunity due to the pandemic. That opportunity is declining, and as far as I've heard there have been no new "game changer" variants since delta (not saying it can't happen, just that it's not likely to happen a lot).

Also it appears possible or likely that significant mutations only occur in very rare patients who have extended covid due to immune issues... that's good because it means that the source is easy to identify and rare enough to largely control.

Immune suppressed people are not “very rare,” even in the US where 1.2 million people are living with HIV

https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overv...nds/statistics

and even more are on chemotherapy, radiotherapy, immune suppressed post organ transplantation and on high dose corticosteroids for a variety of other medical conditions.

Far less in Africa where some countries have 20% of the population living with HIV.

https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overv...bal-statistics

and that was before COVID interrupted international HIV detection and suppression programs.



Worst case it will settle out to annual boosters, possibly modified for any variants (just like the flu).

Possibly. But as of right now, no vaccine out there is known to be effective at stopping the spread for longer than about six or seven months. And even if a new vaccine were available today, it would be at least a year before we could TELL it was effective for a year. Yeah, we coukd look at neutralizing antibody levels and try to extrapolate, but that’s always dicey…


There is no "long-term effect" for a discrete biological event. It's not cumulative, it does it's thing and is gone and the immune response then starts to decline... if it didn't wrong within days or a couple weeks, it's not going to. That's just how the biology works.
And yet we are hoping that the long term effects will be, that we can prime the immune system and trigger an amnestic response that can at least provide longer term protection against hospitalization and death.

Mesabah 11-20-2021 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3325243)
Perspective.

Hospitalization, especially severe cases, and most deaths with Covid, occur among the unvaccinated.

One could opine that in their hospitalized state, they are unhealthy.

Maybe, but BMI is correlated to viral load, and spread rate. It's very doubtful that obese people make neutralizing antibodies with the vaccine, since they don't with the actual virus.

Nvrgofullretard 11-20-2021 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3325256)
You don't remember the entire debate over the summer where heads of the FDA starting resigning over boosters?
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/13/10366...e-booster-shot

no where in that article is a source that confirms the government officially stated that the vaccine would last “many years”. Please provide a direct quote from a government derived press release or official documentation…………or stop with the propaganda.

again not saying it isn’t possible

I fear there is a lot of people on this site that say things as if they are true because they really want them to be.

Excargodog 11-20-2021 10:15 AM

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GeeWizDriver 11-20-2021 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3325289)

Worst case it will settle out to annual boosters, possibly modified for any variants (just like the flu).

Except the Statists will want to make them MANDATORY, unlike the flu shots.

ProudAmerican 11-21-2021 06:28 AM

New data out of the UK. There is a link in the story to the UK website.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/shocking-uk-study-stuns-medical-community-vaccinated-people-60-younger-twice-likely-die-unvaccinated-people/

JurgenKlopp 11-21-2021 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by ProudAmerican (Post 3325617)
New data out of the UK. There is a link in the story to the UK website.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...inated-people/

I’M SHOCKED!

Stellar news source. Great info on The Big Lie…

Drum 11-21-2021 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by JurgenKlopp (Post 3325652)
I’M SHOCKED!

Stellar news source. Great info on The Big Lie…

Once again Jurgen using the tried and true "attack the source" method....its getting tiresome, really, you guys need to come up with a new shtick

Well, here's Sharyl Attkisson. 5 time Emmy award winner for news reporting. Edward Murrow Award recipient. Formerly of Washington DC bureau of CBS news. Hope her CV meets to your exacting requirements. Shes been investigating the china flu scamdemic since about Feb 2020. She puts out very detailed and investigative works. Here's a link to her latest updates thru 21 November 2021.

https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/11/...cine-concerns/

If you're too lazy to read it all here are the Cliffs notes:
  • Updated Nov. 21, 2021 with "dramatic" increase in risk of heart injury
  • Updated Nov. 14, 2021 with Taiwan suspending second dose of Covid vaccine for children
  • Updated Nov. 13, 2021 with concerns over Capillary Leak Syndrome
  • Updated Nov. 10, 2021 with Germany limiting Moderna in young people; pregnant women
  • Updated Nov. 7, 2021 with study showing 2 of 3 U.S. vaccines under 50% effectiveness after 6 mos.
  • Updated Oct. 30, 2021 with UK study showing no difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated in peak viral load
  • Updated Oct. 29, 2021 with Israel study showing waning immunity in a few months in all age groups after vaccination
  • Updated Oct. 23, 2021 with increased rate of preterm birth in pregnant women
  • Updated Oct. 10, 2021 with Iceland pausing Moderna over increased heart problems
  • Updated Oct. 8, 2021 with Vietnam study about vaccinated people carrying more Delta viral load; spreading Covid
  • Updated Oct. 7, 2021 with Finland pausing Moderna vaccine for young males due to heart issues.
  • Updated Oct. 6, 2021 with Sweden and Denmark halting Moderna in young people due to risk of heart injuries. Slovenia suspends Johnson & Johnson.
  • Updated Oct. 4, 2021 with study about vaccine immunity quickly wearing off
  • Updated Oct. 3, 2021 with EU blood disorder concerns and Hepatitis C death
  • Updated Sept. 19, 2021 with British study about menstrual cycle changes in women
  • Updated Sept. 12, 2021 with study finding teenage boys face much higher heart risk from vaccine than Covid
  • Updated Sept.10,2021 with Israel study on majority of hospitalized being vaccinated
  • Updated Sept. 9, 2021 with CDC study about increased myocarditis/heart inflammation risk, lymphadenopathy, appendicitis, and herpes zoster infection
  • Updated Sept. 4, 2021 with acute CNS demyelination after Pfizer and Moderna vaccines
  • Updated Aug. 30, 2021 with Functional Neurological Disorder
  • Updated Aug. 24, 2021 with waning immunity
  • Updated Aug. 17, 2021 with Bell's Palsy analysis, Hong Kong
  • Updated Aug. 16, 2021 with Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) study
  • Updated Aug. 5, 2021 with heart disorders more common than CDC reported from
You can go further back to when she started.

Sharyl is the real deal. I trust her reporting, always have even when she was at CBS. She is thorough, fair, truthful and unbiased in her reporting. Just the facts with her.

There are serious issues and side effects associated with the shots. To ignore that fact is disingenuous.

Mandating them given the known adverse affects is pure insanity.

ProudAmerican 11-21-2021 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by JurgenKlopp (Post 3325652)
I’M SHOCKED!

Stellar news source. Great info on The Big Lie…

Stellar source. The link to the UK site was in the story. You’re just to brainwashed to hear the truth!

JurgenKlopp 11-21-2021 09:58 AM

When it comes to vaccines she’s a freaking nutbag. Of course you follow her. Guess we got a lot more Herman Cain awards coming.


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