Pfizer and Moderna EUA 2nd Booster
03-22-2022, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyfalcons
Three jabs didn't do the trick, but four, now you're talking.....
The financial gains outweigh the scientific or common sense logic here.
Reporter to Jen Psaki….”Does the govt have enough money to purchase the EUA 4th Booster for the American people”
The idea of that question is beyond idiotic on all levels.
Fact that the govt is purchasing the shots, that they don’t have the money to do so, that we are discussing a 4th shot, FAA pilots taking an experimental drug aren’t grounded, People can’t see thru this medical xyience farce.
Yes…the treasury will just have the money printed.
Too bad we don’t operate on the gold standard…..oh wait!
03-23-2022, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ugleeual
Ha ha… 2nd booster? YFKM! These shots don’t work… Jen Psaki in WH has 3 shots and still caught Covid in November and again this week… this stuff is garbage.
But, but, but, she would have died without those shots man!
03-23-2022, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ugleeual
Ha ha… 2nd booster? YFKM! These shots don’t work… Jen Psaki in WH has 3 shots and still caught Covid in November and again this week… this stuff is garbage.
Those in intensive care and who continue to die, tend to be the unvaccinated. Go figure.
The purpose of the vaccine is to provide a target for the immune system to learn and develop a resistance; in the case of both Moderna and Pfizer, to provide an artificial replication of spike protein only.
There are numerous vaccines which do not come with a guarantee; in fact, all of them.
In the case of the darling non-sequitur example rabies: I have three pre-exposure rabies vaccination shots. Should I be exposed, I still require treatment. Rabies is something I don't wish to endure; having pre-exposure vaccination prepares my immune system, buys me time and lessens the potential effects of a bite or other exposure. The same may be said of numerous other vaccinations which may or may not prevent infection, but which in nearly all cases, will improve the body's response and preparation for exposure.
There are a great many things in life that come without guarantee. I put new tires on my care. The tires can still go flat. I get the flu vaccine; I can still get the flu. I get the covid vaccine; I can still be infected by covid. I've improved control of my vehicle with new tires; even if one blows out, new tires on the remaining positions increase controllability. It would be idiotic to suggest that simply because a tire might still fail, why bother getting fresh tires. I may still get the flu. When I get the quad shot, it's composed of the four most represented strains last year. There are many strains beyond those. A vaccine is not available for all of them, and this year's shot is based on last year's representation; it's still worth getting anyway. It's better than no protection. Likewise, I may be infected by covid; I stand a considerably lesser chance of hospitalization or death, or the other effects of long covid, or other complications of covid. Should I get infected, chances that my experience will be mild, are much, much better than those who are not vaccinated.
I carry a handgun in my spare time. It's no guarantee that I won't get shot by a mugger. Or a home invader. It's no guarantee, at all. It's far better to have it and not need it, however, or in the worse case scenario, to need it and have it, than to be without it in a time of need. So is true of many things in life, from fuel reserves that we may not need (but for which we're damn glad we have, when we do need). I have a job; no guarantee that I won't be unemployed. Been there before. I have a house. No guarantee that I won't find myself homeless one day. I pay taxes and social security; no guarantee that the government will shore me up in old age, or that social security will be available to me. I eat. No guarantee that I won't be hungry again, or need to eat again. Not really a surprise. I get a tetanus shot; I'll need another in a few years. So it goes.
A Washington State trooper signs off, ending his career, telling the governor to perform profane acts and decrying the vaccine mandate for the state police. He films himself, becomes an instant hero with the insurrectionists and conspiracy nuts. Then he dies a few months later as a result of a Covid infection. So proud to live, as the song says; so proud to die.
Don't get vaccinated. Make a stand. Wave that angry fist in the wind and tell eveyrone about it. Knock yourself out. I don't care. Most won't care. If you happen to get sick, and eventually die, it won't be a tragedy. Just self-inflicted choice. If you happen to infect someone else, however, whether it's your mother or someone else's mother or simply someone on the bus or in the store and they die, then it's a tragedy. Maybe not to you, in your self-righteous anger...but certainly to them, and everyone else. At least you'll have made your stand. So proud to die.
03-24-2022, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Don't see her in intensive care or dying. Seems to be working just fine.
Those in intensive care and who continue to die, tend to be the unvaccinated. Go figure.
Don't get vaccinated. Make a stand. Wave that angry fist in the wind and tell eveyrone about it. Knock yourself out. I don't care. Most won't care. If you happen to get sick, and eventually die, it won't be a tragedy. Just self-inflicted choice. If you happen to infect someone else, however, whether it's your mother or someone else's mother or simply someone on the bus or in the store and they die, then it's a tragedy. Maybe not to you, in your self-righteous anger...but certainly to them, and everyone else. At least you'll have made your stand. So proud to die.
Those in intensive care and who continue to die, tend to be the unvaccinated. Go figure.
Don't get vaccinated. Make a stand. Wave that angry fist in the wind and tell eveyrone about it. Knock yourself out. I don't care. Most won't care. If you happen to get sick, and eventually die, it won't be a tragedy. Just self-inflicted choice. If you happen to infect someone else, however, whether it's your mother or someone else's mother or simply someone on the bus or in the store and they die, then it's a tragedy. Maybe not to you, in your self-righteous anger...but certainly to them, and everyone else. At least you'll have made your stand. So proud to die.
2. You nor even the CDC knows what the true numbers of hospitalizations are in vaxxed vs. unvaxxed as they’ve admitted 50% of “Covid” hospitalizations are actually cases that are completely unrelated to Covid. Such as car accidents, broken legs, etc. Some cases it’s 70%. Some hospitals will test unvaccinated only no matter what they come into to the hospital for. The CDC has miscounted the number of vaccinated by millions. 850,000 in Pennsylvania alone. Public health agencies don’t even use CDC data because they say it’s so unreliable.
https://www.axios.com/cdc-revises-da...b24f172f6.html
"we don’t have any faith in the numbers on the CDC website, and we never refer to them."
The CDC also won’t release the data (good or bad) for 18-49 year olds. Again, you nor anybody else knows what the true numbers are for vaxxed vs. unvaxxed.
No health agency in the world has the same optimism that the CDC has. I wonder if their funding from pharmaceutical companies have anything to do with that. Even Pfizer’s CEO said their first 2 doses no longer do anything. You seem to have more faith in the vaccines then their own manufacturer.
3. First, you claim people aren’t dying because they’re vaccinated. Then at the end you’re implying we should feel guilty if someone dies because we infected them…. Well… does your vaccine work or not? If your initial claim is that the vaccines work… then the vaccinated shouldn’t be dying. If they are dying, then I guess the Pfizer CEO is correct. It doesn’t work.
The vaccines were developed for a virus 4 variants ago. They only had any significant protection for the first 3 months of the original strain, very little for delta, and absolutely nothing for omicron. The latter confirmed by Pfizer’s CEO.
03-25-2022, 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Thedude86
1. Every person I know who’s unvaccinated that got Covid was completely fine as well. Especially omicron. It was a cold. It’s anecdotal..
I thought covid 1.0 was vastly over-blown, and still do. Knew two people who got it, and one who died (90+ terminal nursing home patient).
Delta was different... back home (deep red state), three people in mu family' close circle died within a month, working age adults, all unvaxxed. My next-door neighbors' cousin died too, working age, unvaxxed. So delta looks to me to have been everything 1.0 was hyped to be, but was not.
I said early on that I liked omicron... natural evolution of bug like this: more contagious but less severe, so it should have provided a lot of people (vaxxed and not) with some extra immunity. At this point looks like that was the big turning point.
03-25-2022, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TyWebb
Because rabies will kill you dead within hours and no one wants their brain to start hemorrhaging to a slow painful death if you survive the initial onslaught of your blood coagulating till your heart stops suddenly like an engine ran without oil. Now, your reply relies heavily on not being challenged just like many that have taken on this dogma approach for the last couple of years. No matter if you call it strawman to avoid the challenge, it's still a very valid point.
How long does it take for rabies to develop? In people, the incubation period (the time between initial contact with the virus and onset of the disease) generally ranges from two to eight weeks. In rare cases, it can vary from 10 days to 2 years.
03-26-2022, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Anecdotally...
I thought covid 1.0 was vastly over-blown, and still do. Knew two people who got it, and one who died (90+ terminal nursing home patient).
Delta was different... back home (deep red state), three people in mu family' close circle died within a month, working age adults, all unvaxxed. My next-door neighbors' cousin died too, working age, unvaxxed. So delta looks to me to have been everything 1.0 was hyped to be, but was not.
I said early on that I liked omicron... natural evolution of bug like this: more contagious but less severe, so it should have provided a lot of people (vaxxed and not) with some extra immunity. At this point looks like that was the big turning point.
I thought covid 1.0 was vastly over-blown, and still do. Knew two people who got it, and one who died (90+ terminal nursing home patient).
Delta was different... back home (deep red state), three people in mu family' close circle died within a month, working age adults, all unvaxxed. My next-door neighbors' cousin died too, working age, unvaxxed. So delta looks to me to have been everything 1.0 was hyped to be, but was not.
I said early on that I liked omicron... natural evolution of bug like this: more contagious but less severe, so it should have provided a lot of people (vaxxed and not) with some extra immunity. At this point looks like that was the big turning point.
And there are tons of people who were vaccinated that died as well. I never said the vaccines didn’t work at all. The data shows the vaccines only had any significant protection for about 3 months for the original strain. Zero protection after 6 months. Delta protection was even worse and non existent for omicron.
All the vaccines did was delay getting infected for 3 months. After that, you’re basically just as likely to be infected with the same severity as any unvaccinated person. Israeli and European scientists believe the more boosters you get, the more likely you are to be infected as too many shots in a short period of time actually weaken your immune system as a whole. That jives with several countries reporting higher percentages of vaccinated omicron infections compared to unvaxxed. These doctors and scientists were never given air time on CNN so they are most likely conspiracy theorists just like all the other conspiracy theorist doctors who have been right the past 2 years.
Maybe we can compare data with the CDC if they and the FDA ever decide to release that information. Doesn’t look likely anytime soon.
03-26-2022, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Don't see her in intensive care or dying. Seems to be working just fine.
Those in intensive care and who continue to die, tend to be the unvaccinated. Go figure.
The purpose of the vaccine is to provide a target for the immune system to learn and develop a resistance; in the case of both Moderna and Pfizer, to provide an artificial replication of spike protein only.
There are numerous vaccines which do not come with a guarantee; in fact, all of them.
In the case of the darling non-sequitur example rabies: I have three pre-exposure rabies vaccination shots. Should I be exposed, I still require treatment. Rabies is something I don't wish to endure; having pre-exposure vaccination prepares my immune system, buys me time and lessens the potential effects of a bite or other exposure. The same may be said of numerous other vaccinations which may or may not prevent infection, but which in nearly all cases, will improve the body's response and preparation for exposure.
There are a great many things in life that come without guarantee. I put new tires on my care. The tires can still go flat. I get the flu vaccine; I can still get the flu. I get the covid vaccine; I can still be infected by covid. I've improved control of my vehicle with new tires; even if one blows out, new tires on the remaining positions increase controllability. It would be idiotic to suggest that simply because a tire might still fail, why bother getting fresh tires. I may still get the flu. When I get the quad shot, it's composed of the four most represented strains last year. There are many strains beyond those. A vaccine is not available for all of them, and this year's shot is based on last year's representation; it's still worth getting anyway. It's better than no protection. Likewise, I may be infected by covid; I stand a considerably lesser chance of hospitalization or death, or the other effects of long covid, or other complications of covid. Should I get infected, chances that my experience will be mild, are much, much better than those who are not vaccinated.
I carry a handgun in my spare time. It's no guarantee that I won't get shot by a mugger. Or a home invader. It's no guarantee, at all. It's far better to have it and not need it, however, or in the worse case scenario, to need it and have it, than to be without it in a time of need. So is true of many things in life, from fuel reserves that we may not need (but for which we're damn glad we have, when we do need). I have a job; no guarantee that I won't be unemployed. Been there before. I have a house. No guarantee that I won't find myself homeless one day. I pay taxes and social security; no guarantee that the government will shore me up in old age, or that social security will be available to me. I eat. No guarantee that I won't be hungry again, or need to eat again. Not really a surprise. I get a tetanus shot; I'll need another in a few years. So it goes.
A Washington State trooper signs off, ending his career, telling the governor to perform profane acts and decrying the vaccine mandate for the state police. He films himself, becomes an instant hero with the insurrectionists and conspiracy nuts. Then he dies a few months later as a result of a Covid infection. So proud to live, as the song says; so proud to die.
Don't get vaccinated. Make a stand. Wave that angry fist in the wind and tell eveyrone about it. Knock yourself out. I don't care. Most won't care. If you happen to get sick, and eventually die, it won't be a tragedy. Just self-inflicted choice. If you happen to infect someone else, however, whether it's your mother or someone else's mother or simply someone on the bus or in the store and they die, then it's a tragedy. Maybe not to you, in your self-righteous anger...but certainly to them, and everyone else. At least you'll have made your stand. So proud to die.
Those in intensive care and who continue to die, tend to be the unvaccinated. Go figure.
The purpose of the vaccine is to provide a target for the immune system to learn and develop a resistance; in the case of both Moderna and Pfizer, to provide an artificial replication of spike protein only.
There are numerous vaccines which do not come with a guarantee; in fact, all of them.
In the case of the darling non-sequitur example rabies: I have three pre-exposure rabies vaccination shots. Should I be exposed, I still require treatment. Rabies is something I don't wish to endure; having pre-exposure vaccination prepares my immune system, buys me time and lessens the potential effects of a bite or other exposure. The same may be said of numerous other vaccinations which may or may not prevent infection, but which in nearly all cases, will improve the body's response and preparation for exposure.
There are a great many things in life that come without guarantee. I put new tires on my care. The tires can still go flat. I get the flu vaccine; I can still get the flu. I get the covid vaccine; I can still be infected by covid. I've improved control of my vehicle with new tires; even if one blows out, new tires on the remaining positions increase controllability. It would be idiotic to suggest that simply because a tire might still fail, why bother getting fresh tires. I may still get the flu. When I get the quad shot, it's composed of the four most represented strains last year. There are many strains beyond those. A vaccine is not available for all of them, and this year's shot is based on last year's representation; it's still worth getting anyway. It's better than no protection. Likewise, I may be infected by covid; I stand a considerably lesser chance of hospitalization or death, or the other effects of long covid, or other complications of covid. Should I get infected, chances that my experience will be mild, are much, much better than those who are not vaccinated.
I carry a handgun in my spare time. It's no guarantee that I won't get shot by a mugger. Or a home invader. It's no guarantee, at all. It's far better to have it and not need it, however, or in the worse case scenario, to need it and have it, than to be without it in a time of need. So is true of many things in life, from fuel reserves that we may not need (but for which we're damn glad we have, when we do need). I have a job; no guarantee that I won't be unemployed. Been there before. I have a house. No guarantee that I won't find myself homeless one day. I pay taxes and social security; no guarantee that the government will shore me up in old age, or that social security will be available to me. I eat. No guarantee that I won't be hungry again, or need to eat again. Not really a surprise. I get a tetanus shot; I'll need another in a few years. So it goes.
A Washington State trooper signs off, ending his career, telling the governor to perform profane acts and decrying the vaccine mandate for the state police. He films himself, becomes an instant hero with the insurrectionists and conspiracy nuts. Then he dies a few months later as a result of a Covid infection. So proud to live, as the song says; so proud to die.
Don't get vaccinated. Make a stand. Wave that angry fist in the wind and tell eveyrone about it. Knock yourself out. I don't care. Most won't care. If you happen to get sick, and eventually die, it won't be a tragedy. Just self-inflicted choice. If you happen to infect someone else, however, whether it's your mother or someone else's mother or simply someone on the bus or in the store and they die, then it's a tragedy. Maybe not to you, in your self-righteous anger...but certainly to them, and everyone else. At least you'll have made your stand. So proud to die.
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