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Old 09-06-2022, 01:20 PM
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2020 - Many gave up their medical freedom of choice by taking an experimental jabb in exchange for job security. If the jabb eventually kills them or permanently injures them so they can’t fly anymore, will it have been worth it?
Two years into the vaccines now, if anything like that was going to pop up it would have already. We have plenty of experience with vaccines to know the timeline.

Biology is complex, so anything is remotely possible but the odds of any new adverse affects showing up down the road are exceptionally low at this point.

mRNA vaccine adverse events are reasonably comparable to flu vaccine adverse events, although the rare serious events have not surprisingly different etiologies.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34709664/


And OBTW... nobody gave up any freedoms related to covid vaccines in the US. Nobody was forced to get one, even the mil just discharged those who disobeyed the general order. I got the vaccine for the simple reason that I wanted to go to Europe last summer. Voluntarily, for vacation. Not the first shot I've had to get in order to travel somewhere.

Masks and lockdowns on the other hand, yeah that was sheeple forking over their freedoms. And not even for safety, just for the appearance of safety. Or maybe virtue signalling.
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Old 09-06-2022, 01:50 PM
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Really?! You quote a podcast that has 178 views?
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TONS of people were forced to get one. Get jabbed or you can’t see this movie. Get jabbed or you can’t eat at this restaurant. Get jabbed or lose your job. Get jabbed or you can’t go to school. Get jabbed or you can’t have this medical procedure. Get jabbed or you can’t see or visit your loved ones in the hospital. How much forceful could you get? I’m assuming you believe just because youre not thrown in jail its not forced? Oh we wont throw you in jail but we will make your life miserable and almost impossible to live if you don’t get the shot.

You can no longer rely on any information given from the CDC, NIH, or FDA. They have been wrong and changed their statements about almost every single data point throughout the entire pandemic. The only time they’ve reported anything remotely close to reality is either after they can no longer deny the fact or other countries have been reporting the data for 6 months already. If the CDC told me Christmas was on December 25th, I would check the calendar because they are no longer a trustworthy organization. Even their own director, Rochelle Walensky, has admitted that they need to restore their reputation.

There is an argument to be made that the vaccines were a benefit for the 70 and older population. The data for young people gets worse by the day. Even the American Heart Association recently admitted the vaccines have higher rates of heart problems for men under 40. The first two of shots of pfizer are slightly higher. The second shot alone of Moderna is about 8x higher. No data exists for the booster, but for both pfizer and Moderna the second shot is worst than the first. If the trend is linear then you can only imagine how much worse the 3rd and 4th shots are. Yes there are other side effects from the virus. But there also other side effects from the vaccines such as blood clotting. How many other side effects from the virus does a 20 year old have to get in order to outweigh the 8x greater risk of heart problems. And again, that doesn’t even include dose 3 or 4. Numerous European countries have recommend people under 30 not get vaccinated for almost a year already.

Covid death amounts to 5-10% excess death depending on the country. Total excess death is an additional 10-20% ON TOP of that. Several life insurance companies and European countries are reporting up to 40% increase in all cause mortality in 18-64 year olds. “A 5% increase is a once in 100 year occurrence.” One of many examples at this link… https://www.thecentersquare.com/indi...c06725e2c.html Ironically, the 18-49 vaccine data is mostly unreported by the CDC to this day. I wonder why?

It started with you will not get covid if you get the jab. Then it was there’s a few breakthrough cases. Then it was well you still wont die. Then it was you’ll have less severe symptoms. Then it was youre less likely to die. Give it another 6-12 months and the narrative will change again. Even the White House admits Biden isn’t in a rush to get dose 5 and that he has good protection from natural immunity. The vaccine side effect narrative is already starting to change because like the CDC, they know the negative data is coming and they wont be able to hide it. 95% of parents with children under 5 have yet to get their kids even the first shot. 99% have yet to get their kids both shots even if they’re eligible. They can’t publicly say it, but doctors know. Major media outlets like ABC are already starting to blame the side effects on climate change and even politico recently published an article blaming Trump on rushing and pushing the FDA to approve the vaccines without sufficient data. If the vaccines were still a positive you know they wouldn’t be associated with trump.
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Old 09-06-2022, 07:52 PM
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TONS of people were forced to get one. Get jabbed or you can’t see this movie. Get jabbed or you can’t eat at this restaurant. Get jabbed or lose your job. Get jabbed or you can’t go to school. Get jabbed or you can’t have this medical procedure. Get jabbed or you can’t see or visit your loved ones in the hospital. How much forceful could you get? I’m assuming you believe just because youre not thrown in jail its not forced?
Yes. Not forced. You can always get another job if it's that important to you, and some people did that.

Some people who claim to be big on freedom seem to forget that freedom is a two way street. Private persons and organizations should be able to choose with whom they associate... even if that means not YOU.

Gov should not force it on anyone who does not work for them. The contractor mandate was overreach for airlines.


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There is an argument to be made that the vaccines were a benefit for the 70 and older population. The data for young people gets worse by the day. Even the American Heart Association recently admitted the vaccines have higher rates of heart problems for men under 40. The first two of shots of pfizer are slightly higher. The second shot alone of Moderna is about 8x higher. No data exists for the booster, but for both pfizer and Moderna the second shot is worst than the first. If the trend is linear then you can only imagine how much worse the 3rd and 4th shots are. Yes there are other side effects from the virus. But there also other side effects from the vaccines such as blood clotting. How many other side effects from the virus does a 20 year old have to get in order to outweigh the 8x greater risk of heart problems. And again, that doesn’t even include dose 3 or 4. Numerous European countries have recommend people under 30 not get vaccinated for almost a year already.
This is overblown I have seen nothing remotely reputable indicating that adverse affects increase with boosters. Feel free to post links if you have something that's not some fringe wingnut trying to scratch out a living on youtube after his medical license got yanked for excess opiod scrips.

But the US is going to a recommended annual covid booster (like the flu shot).

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Covid death amounts to 5-10% excess death depending on the country. Total excess death is an additional 10-20% ON TOP of that. Several life insurance companies and European countries are reporting up to 40% increase in all cause mortality in 18-64 year olds. “A 5% increase is a once in 100 year occurrence.”
I said from day one that lockdowns would do more damage than covid... that's still playing out in missed medical screenings and mental health issues (and we're not done with economic fallout either). I have no doubt at all that there are excess deaths from that and I blame .gov THEY did that. COVID deaths are "stuff happens". Lockdown-induced deaths are catastrophic .gov over-reach. It's not .gov's place to shift deaths from one demographic to another.

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It started with you will not get covid if you get the jab. Then it was there’s a few breakthrough cases.
There were few with covid 1.0.

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Then it was well you still wont die. Then it was you’ll have less severe symptoms.
That's still true for all significant variants to date. The natural course of a bug like this is to become more contagious and less severe, and that's what's happening. The vaccine will become less relevant over time and will wind up like the flu shot... get it if you want, or not. If you're over 70, better get it. It will be updated for new variants.

USG announced today that boosters will be annual, and there is now an omicron specific booster. We're there, it's done. I haven't been asked for a vaccine card in a long time, and have never been asked to prove I had a booster (I haven't).
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So not forced, but you’re ok with not allowing people to participate in society if they’re not vaccinated? You’re ok with kids not needing a flu vaccine to go to school but being forced to have a Covid shot even though covid is roughly 5x worse than flu for school age kids. You’re ok with someone denied heart surgery because they’re not vaccinated even though covid has nothing to do with the surgery? You’re ok with a father of 4 making 100k a year being forced to leave his job of 20 years because he doesn’t want to get the shot even though the only places hiring are only paying 40k-50k a year?

Here’s a recent quote from Dr. Birx. If you don’t remember her she was basically Dr. Fauci’s side kick for most of 2020…

“we do believe it will protect you, particularly if you're over 70. I knew these vaccines were not going to protect against infection. I think we overplayed the vaccines, and it made people then worry that it's not going to protect against severe disease and hospitalization. It will. But let's be very clear, 50% of the people who died from the omicron surge were older and vaccinated”
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Here is the fringe wingnut called the American Heart Association admitting Heart problems are worse from vaccines than from the virus in men under 40… https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/0...-than-vaccines

The title says the virus is worse but if you read through they have a disclaimer for men under 40…

“with one exception. Men under 40 who received a second dose of the Moderna vaccine had a higher risk of myocarditis following vaccination” “That risk rose with the second dose for all three vaccines studied and was highest for Moderna's, which had an additional 97 myocarditis cases per 1 million. For unvaccinated men under 40 with COVID-19, there were 16 additional myocarditis cases per million.”

The U.K. government and Oxford University already knew these statistics back in the fall of 2021. It’s common knowledge now even among the CDC that teenage boys are much worse off with myocarditis than 30 and 40 year old men. So who knows what the charts would look like for an 18 year old. Hence, why a lot of European countries are recommending against vaccination for people under 30. Once again, the CDC is roughly 6-12 months behind the rest of the world.

Btw, the people that have been saying these things throughout the whole process have more credentials and experience and make Dr. Fauci look like an intern at your local Walgreens. Those are the people you’re labeling wingnuts. I’d be happy to list a few if you’d like. These people have been right almost every step of the way and you’re labeling them wingnuts and you want to continue to trust the people that are directly funded by the same companies making billions in profit even though they’ve been wrong the entire time.

You’re like the boy who cried wolf. Except instead of 3 times, they’ve cried wolf 50 times and you still think the wolf is coming.

Yes the lockdowns had effects on death but the lockdowns have been over for awhile now. Most of your “experts” believed that deaths would actually have negative excess due to the fact that a lot of the vulnerable already died in 2020. That’s not the case. Lockdowns have been over for awhile but excess all cause non Covid mortality continues to remain steady each passing week and in several European nations it’s actually increasing still.

And yippee there’s an omicron vaccine now. Omicron has been around for almost a year so like the other variants… it’ll be a different variant any day now… just in time for the omicron vaccine.
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And of course you’re not going to see any “reputable” reports for awhile. There’s too much profit and funding at stake. What’s considered acceptable data and opinion now was labeled conspiracy theories from wingnuts last year.

The data is already there from other countries. Just give it 6-12 more months and you’ll start to see the stories here like everything else that’s happened the last 2.5 years. Like I previously mentioned… just in the last few weeks you’re “reputable” sources have already started blaming the side effects on climate change and Donald Trump. The wave is just beginning.
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For those that still believe the experimental jabbs are safe & effective on a virus that is 99.9x% survivable:
https://lc.org/newsroom/details/0908...for-children-1
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For the last 6 months there has been data showing the more shots you have the more likely you are to test positive. This was considered a conspiracy theory in the States while actually being researched elsewhere. I’ve noticed though, in the past month, there’s been a growing acceptance towards this data.

The CDC’s own data now shows 44% of “non pregnant people” that are hospitalized have the initial 2 shots AND at least 1 or more booster. While the population as a whole only has about 33% that have 2 plus 1 booster. This doesn’t even include the people that only just have the first 1 or 2 shots. So who knows the percentage when you include that category as well. And knowing the CDC, the 44% is likely much higher in reality even just for the boosted. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/...cid=mm7134a3_x

The CDC gives this data, but then also says unvaccinated are still 3.4 times more likely to be hospitalized. Typical CDC math. My guess is that when they state the 44% they say it’s in non pregnant people purposefully. 80% of the population has at least 1 initial shot, while only 62% of women giving birth typically have just 1 initial shot. Only 33% of the population as a whole has a booster so my guess is the amount of pregnant women that are boosted or even just have the first 2 shots is extremely low. The likely scenario, to come up with their claim of 3.4x more likely… they’re taking the extremely low vaccinated pregnant people giving birth and combining it with the non pregnant people. Typical par for the course for the CDC the last 2.5 years.
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When they say unvaccinated are 3.4x more likely to be hospitalized they include all adults. When they refer to the 44% they only reference non pregnant people. Later in the article…. “Pregnant patients were excluded because their reasons for hospital admission might differ from those for nonpregnant persons” ….

“Reasons might differ” differ from what? Differ from covid? Lol. So when they include all adults they’re including pregnant women hospitalized for…. Wait for it…. Giving birth!

Another interesting quote even further down…

”During the BA.2 period, 27.8% of hospitalized adults were unvaccinated, representing a 60% decrease from 69.4% during the Delta period and a 41% decrease from 47.2% during the BA.1 period. The proportion who had received a primary series and ≥1 booster or additional dose increased from 1.4%, 15.6%, and 44.1% during the Delta, BA.1, and BA.2 periods, respectively.”

So as time goes on unvaxxed stats become better. Boosted gets worse even though most vaccinated were already vaccinated when delta came around. Only 1.4% boosted were hospitalized for delta. Pretty sure delta was almost over by the time the boosters were a thing and they started out as only available for 65 and older.

The second stat also includes all adults. Not just non pregnant people, so most likely including “other reasons” once again.
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