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04-08-2017, 04:33 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Looks like they should have done some proactive cancellations before the storm hit instead of remaining at full schedule. It's getting bad out there. Real bad.
They've been pretty good at pre-emptive cancellations these last few years. What happened this time? Over-optimism, I'm guessing.
04-08-2017, 05:24 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by DALFA
It was a total clusterfu*k. Delta is lucky there's not FAR limit on F/A duty days or the number of cancellations would have been double what it was. Everyone was in a panic mode and nobody could get in touch anyone.
I can't tell you the number of rotations i've seen with FAs at 16-17-18-20 and even one with a 31 hour duty day.
They stretch the FAs on a normal day with high schedule values, long duty days, and minimal layovers. When something goes really wrong this is what happens.
Delta could have and should have proactively cancelled flights the day before which would have freed up crews to fly when others timed out. They should have also offered incentive for FAs to pick up trips the day before. Instead they waited until the day of and they only offer a measly 4 hours of incentive pay. No such thing as a greenslip.
Obviously union representation wouldn't have made the weather go away but I guarantee you that another union on the property would light a fire under managements a$$ and the impact wouldn't be as bad when these things happen.
It's about transparency and most of all ACCOUNTABILITY. When Delta doesn't have to answer to anyone (except ALPA) then they can cut corners left and right but the result is...well...not ideal as we witnessed.
In order to have "normal" staffing as UA and AA have on the FA side Delta would need to hire another 3,000-4,000 FAs. But that costs money and you know we don't want to cut into those profits and stock buybacks.
I can't tell you the number of rotations i've seen with FAs at 16-17-18-20 and even one with a 31 hour duty day.
They stretch the FAs on a normal day with high schedule values, long duty days, and minimal layovers. When something goes really wrong this is what happens.
Delta could have and should have proactively cancelled flights the day before which would have freed up crews to fly when others timed out. They should have also offered incentive for FAs to pick up trips the day before. Instead they waited until the day of and they only offer a measly 4 hours of incentive pay. No such thing as a greenslip.
Obviously union representation wouldn't have made the weather go away but I guarantee you that another union on the property would light a fire under managements a$$ and the impact wouldn't be as bad when these things happen.
It's about transparency and most of all ACCOUNTABILITY. When Delta doesn't have to answer to anyone (except ALPA) then they can cut corners left and right but the result is...well...not ideal as we witnessed.
In order to have "normal" staffing as UA and AA have on the FA side Delta would need to hire another 3,000-4,000 FAs. But that costs money and you know we don't want to cut into those profits and stock buybacks.
You had me until the union part.... You actually think the pilot union lights a fire under them? That's rich.
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04-08-2017, 06:46 AM
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Wed night the ATL CPO door closed and locked. Thurs free pizza, nuts and pretzels, only advice fro CPO was crew tracking is working on it. If you need a room call this north ATL hotel to check on rooms and call uber to get there. Finally commuted home at 3am by stealing a FA from another flight that was dead in the water with no pilots. Proactive pilots were the only positive getting flights in the air.
04-08-2017, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by tunes
You had me until the union part.... You actually think the pilot union lights a fire under them? That's rich.
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Let me explain:
Pilots at Delta are much more informed about their contractual limits and other work rules than Delta FAs. That alone keeps Delta a bit more on their toes with you guys then the flight attendants.
It's like having a speed limit on a highway. If you know there's cops all along the road you don't speed because you don't want a ticket. If you know there are no cops you try to push the envelope and try to get away with things you wouldn't otherwise do.
04-08-2017, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DALFA
I think they get away with a lot less with the pilots then they do with the FAs and in part it's because you have a union.
Let me explain:
Pilots at Delta are much more informed about their contractual limits and other work rules than Delta FAs. That alone keeps Delta a bit more on their toes with you guys then the flight attendants.
It's like having a speed limit on a highway. If you know there's cops all along the road you don't speed because you don't want a ticket. If you know there are no cops you try to push the envelope and try to get away with things you wouldn't otherwise do.
Let me explain:
Pilots at Delta are much more informed about their contractual limits and other work rules than Delta FAs. That alone keeps Delta a bit more on their toes with you guys then the flight attendants.
It's like having a speed limit on a highway. If you know there's cops all along the road you don't speed because you don't want a ticket. If you know there are no cops you try to push the envelope and try to get away with things you wouldn't otherwise do.
04-08-2017, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
This would have made the IROP better how?
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